Who's The Most Dirtiest?

Syncroneyes · December 23rd, 2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unixlord

Intel's filth envelopes the world.

What was that big scam involving Intel allegedly bribing some hardware manufacterers a little while ago? Wasn't it something to do with RAM suppliers (Samsung maybe?) whilst i think Nvidia was simultaneously having its own massive hardware failing issues... Intel proved to everyone that they also can be big, naughty playas...

Hueristic · December 25th, 2008, 04:58 PM

Nvidia, Just for buying ULI and burying their leading chipsets 1645 IIRC. Only true AGP/PCI-E chipset ever!

Not to mention their rebranding and renaming bait and switch schemes.

IModIntel · December 25th, 2008, 10:29 PM

Regarding Intel's pricing scheme, it's really ridiculous. I mean, I understand that i7 is the top right now, but absolutely nothing justifies the 2x price difference between the i7 920 and the i7 940.

**Regeneration** · December 26th, 2008, 03:39 AM

Talking about prices... here is an email between Nvidia's Dan Vivoli and ATI's Dave Orton:

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I really think we should work harder together on the marketing front. As you and I have talked about, even though we are competitors, we have the common goal of making our category a well positioned, respected playing field. $5 and $8 stocks are a result of no respect.

Both of us have spent the last three years trying to bring the perceived value of our products up to the level of Intel. The "GPU" category is clean and has served us well that way. We both have increased the price of our high end product several fold over the last 4 years while Intel’s high end prices have more than halved. Creating another category serves to work contradictory to that. How does one cleanly position it versus a GPU and a CPU?? It will tear down what we have both built.

Price fixing... guilty as hell.

Ltcrusher · December 28th, 2008, 01:40 AM

I klicked "they all suck". But to use Intel & nVidia is like...beeing on the "Dark Side of the Force", and I like Darth Vader, he's pretty cool...not so "Mr. Nice Guy" like Luke.

Hehehehe.

DOOMJESUS · January 13th, 2009, 01:22 PM

nv is about as shady an operation as i've seen.

mkey · February 13th, 2009, 01:01 PM

I voted Nvidia but mostly because of the price/performance ratio they relentlessly enforce. I never had an Nvida card, so it would be stupid of me to dump all over their products, but from various reviews I think ATI offers more for the same amount of dosh. At least it the 4000 series. And their drivers are coming along, finally. At snails pace, but nevertheless.

About that Nvidia subsidizing politics - I actually think this is a good thing. Look what's going in gaming world today. Consolers dragging good PC developer away from the, IMO, ultimate gaming (and not only) platform. I think not only Nvidia, but Intel and AMD also should start "investing" in "their" respective publishers as to restore some of the lost equilibrium.

Such is situation today that Sony and MS (yes, MS also, they are willing to spend any amount of PC earned good hard money on their (I'll skip name calling) xbox) will do almost anything to delay this and that PC release or cancel it all together. In most cases I say good riddance as I'm sick and tired of console ports, but look what has consolification brought us. Dumbed-down-no-content-lost-in-my-brainless-mind-and-can't-get-out-rail-road type of titles. Enough, I say. If AMD, Nvidia and Intel need to brib... err... entice some developers into creating proper PC titles, why not?

OK, they will always be more or less optimized for some set of hardware, but I'll gladly pay for and play a good and proper end to end PC game heavily optimized for Nvidia cards and AMD processors (what, I might lose a frame here and there and some effect or another - who cares?!) then some mediocre (at best) console port. From what I hear there have been some good and proper ports (like Burnout Paradise or Mess Def... err, Effect), but sorry if I curb my enthusiasm, those titles were delayed for well over a year.

Intel... well, all of my systems (three for now, maybe 4 depending on how I would count them) have been Intel based and I'm happy with them. AMD was never that much appealing to me, for some reason. What I do resent them was that silly old naming convention where they tried to emulate Intel by saying

"we won't tell you what the actual clock is but if you overclock the proc you'll get performance that's somewhere along the lines of what Intel has in this line of their products, or even better"

A dumbed down version of it, anyway. I like a more direct approach, instead of putting up a show and parading down the alley of misinformation. I actually think truth can never hurt as a lie can. No matter how severe. Heh, this is why I probably never made a career in politics or any sort of public relations

Anyway, my two cents on the matter at hand.

IModIntel · February 13th, 2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mkey

I voted Nvidia but mostly because of the price/performance ratio they relentlessly enforce. I never had an Nvida card, so it would be stupid of me to dump all over their products, but from various reviews I think ATI offers more for the same amount of dosh. At least it the 4000 series. And their drivers are coming along, finally. At snails pace, but nevertheless.

About that Nvidia subsidizing politics - I actually think this is a good thing. Look what's going in gaming world today. Consolers dragging good PC developer away from the, IMO, ultimate gaming (and not only) platform. I think not only Nvidia, but Intel and AMD also should start "investing" in "their" respective publishers as to restore some of the lost equilibrium.

Such is situation today that Sony and MS (yes, MS also, they are willing to spend any amount of PC earned good hard money on their (I'll skip name calling) xbox) will do almost anything to delay this and that PC release or cancel it all together. In most cases I say good riddance as I'm sick and tired of console ports, but look what has consolification brought us. Dumbed-down-no-content-lost-in-my-brainless-mind-and-can't-get-out-rail-road type of titles. Enough, I say. If AMD, Nvidia and Intel need to brib... err... entice some developers into creating proper PC titles, why not?

OK, they will always be more or less optimized for some set of hardware, but I'll gladly pay for and play a good and proper end to end PC game heavily optimized for Nvidia cards and AMD processors (what, I might lose a frame here and there and some effect or another - who cares?!) then some mediocre (at best) console port. From what I hear there have been some good and proper ports (like Burnout Paradise or Mess Def... err, Effect), but sorry if I curb my enthusiasm, those titles were delayed for well over a year.

Intel... well, all of my systems (three for now, maybe 4 depending on how I would count them) have been Intel based and I'm happy with them. AMD was never that much appealing to me, for some reason. What I do resent them was that silly old naming convention where they tried to emulate Intel by saying

"we won't tell you what the actual clock is but if you overclock the proc you'll get performance that's somewhere along the lines of what Intel has in this line of their products, or even better"

A dumbed down version of it, anyway. I like a more direct approach, instead of putting up a show and parading down the alley of misinformation. I actually think truth can never hurt as a lie can. No matter how severe. Heh, this is why I probably never made a career in politics or any sort of public relations

Anyway, my two cents on the matter at hand.

Well this my satisfaction with these manufacturers in terms or chronology:

Nvidia: ---> Riva TNT 2 32Mb: awesome! ---> Nvidia Geforce 5 FX5200 128mb AGP: POS! ---> Nvidia GeForce 6600GT AGP 128mb DDR3: good for 3 months, paperweight after 4 months

ATi: Radeon 9600XT: pretty good ---> Radeon X700: pretty good ---> HD2600PRO: Pretty good ---> x1950Pro: awesome when I got it --->HD3850: awesome when i got it and still very satisfying

Intel: Pentium MMX 166: first PC so had no choice of finding it awesome ---> Intel Celeron 500mhz: AbsolutePOSOMGBBQWTF ---> Pentium 3 667Mhz: Wow! ---> Pentium 4 3ghz: Was fucking AWESOME from a pentium three, but then I discovered what a POS it was when my dad bought his athlon64 for less yet it CRUSHED my P4

AMD: Athlon XP 3200+: awesome performer, awesome hotplate ---> Athlon 64 X2 6000+ ---> so fucking expensive when I bought it (like 275$) but is still very good for my use.

mkey · February 16th, 2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IModIntel

POSOMGBBQWTF

What's BBQ

?

IModIntel · February 17th, 2009, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mkey

What's BBQ

?

It's the "It cooks an egg" factor

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