Dyre Straits

This isn't to say that AMD is bad/worse than Intel. But, I do wish AMD had stuck with processors instead of buying out ATI. That said, I do hope the merger eventually becomes a huge success. I really do like....and prefer....ATI video cards. I'd hate to see them go down with the ship...if AMD ever does go down completely.

But, as for processors, I've always been an Intel guy. However, my 2nd rig here is an AMD-based system using the 'old' 939 architecture. It does what it's supposed to do for me but that's it.

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lyla

Intel have just been doing a better job the last few years, end of story, I will always take the product that is best within my budget. And Intel is that, as Regen says the OC possiblilities alone make it a longer lasting product as when it comes to the end of its life i can give it an additional 10-20% no problem.

I just find it "funny" how partisan people are, the big logo graphic of their current "fanbois" company and then the defend to the death attitude over their current format.

As for the companies....you are trying to say one is EVUL because it does well...rofl. None of them have your interests at their heart. They are all trying to turn a dollar, their marketing may say you come first, but ultimately the share holders/management will always come first. If all of AMD's competition died off, they would raise their prices just as fast as Intel or any other company would, it is just simple economics.

Funerall

I was using an Intel CPU until I buy a new AMD CPU (was very cheap). And then I noticed that with integrated RAM controller, AMD was better in Windows than Intel. I still use the same AMD CPU (Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Birsbane) and I really love it. Intel maybe the faster in many applications such as games but my computer with AMD CPU really gives the performance that I want in Windows. Now I won't buy any CPU without integrated RAM controller. Because I really see the differences.

Also my AMD CPU works at the temperature 0 in winter. No heat problems. I can show Asus Probe SS about it...

lyla

God I do hope this CPU works better in Windows is an attempt at a bad joke...

Yes your "new" AMD processor maybe better in Windows than your "OLD" Intel processor, but really the "built in" memory controller makes it rock at moving windows around and doing Microsoft Word. hmmm benchmarks don't really agree, but as long as you "see" it...

Perhaps you should offer your amazing sight and feel to benchmarking sites, then you could feel which computer/processor does a spell check the best(est).

Promilus

Regeneration - I think you're a little unfair over AMD.
Socket changes?
AMD since Pentium 1: Socket 7 (Super Socket7 with K6-2, III and 2+, III+), Slot A, Socket A, socket 754, socket 939, socket AM2/+, socket AM3
Intel: socket 7, socket 8 (for short lived pentium pro), slot 1, socket 378 (and well, Tualatin core wouldn't work on older chipsets without hacking...yeah, that's intel compatibility). Then P4 socket 423 with quick change to 478. Then totally incompatible Socket 775 and guess what, there are still many chipsets without core2 support with LGA775 socket - not to mention core 2 chipsets which couldn't run 45nm chips. Now we have additional LGA1366 for i7 but again there will be lower end incompatible socket for i5 (LGA1156?).
And you know I have Phenom II compatibility with my exotic nvidia (ULi) M1695?
Overclock? Yeah, I do without a problem 2.9 from 2.3 A64 x2 Brisbane without vcore change on my mobo. It's 600MHz or 26%. You might want to remember also AthlonXP especially Barton performance vs P4 performance (and clock). And what about K7 vs P III? This isn't worth mentioning? I guess for most people most importand is here and now when you judge a company. But even when AMD had better OC potential, when they had faster chips...still most of you used Intel CPUs. Well, not the "smartest choice". So sorry, I'm well aware of intel flaws, however in opposite of fanboys I'm well aware of my champion (AMD) flaws as well.

lyla

Have underlined the 2 conflicts in the above....

A processor can't be described as "my champion" without being a fanbois.

Promilus

I guess we disagree in that matter. My champion is my processor, which I bought for ~80$ - It had great performance/price ratio and in middle-lowend AMD still has decent advantage over intel with those CPUs. I considered E2180 in time...but chose AM2 platform for long term advantages. I can now put a Phenom II CPU for my MOBO while LGA775 users are limited to E8600 (dual) and Q/QXxxxx (quad) - no new processor for this socket will be made. Great feature of AM2 - compatibility- there is something more than raw processing power when you're buying hardware.
And yeah, I'll assembly a brand new PC on i7 for my cousin just because he wants the best performance PC. Along with i7 there will be GTX285 nvidia card while I'm usually more attached to ATI. Guess that proves I'm not a fanboy. AMD fanboy would choose AMD Phenom II CPU for such PC. AMD fanboy would never admit that intel CPUs are faster.

I guess we have different definitions of what FANBOY means.

lyla

So your cousin isn't a fanboy, doesn't change you

Promilus

My, oh my. My cousin has no idea about hardware nowadays. He used to have great knowlegdge about it some 8 years ago but not now. If I were fanboy I would push him phenom II + HD4870 and propably he would be quite happy about that until he discovers that it wasn't TOP performance. So no, I'm not a fanboy. Now can we go back to the topic please?

lyla

Stop saying your a fanboy then.

It is hardware, stop "championing" "attaching" to a brand. Don't care if you are aware of the faults, fanboys still know their <3 has faults.