Shipwrecked

I'm looking at a motherboard (AsRock 4CoreDual-SATA 2 ~ because I'm poor) to buy that is rated at 1066 fsb and was looking at the E6600 rated at 1066 fsb. Then I noticed the E6750 is $30 cheaper but is rated at 1333 fsb.

Can I use a cpu rated at 1333 fsb in a motherboard rated for 1066 fsb? if yes, what will be the effect?

Dyre Straits

The CPU will default to the lower FSB just like RAM would do. The BIOS will detect it and 'should' automatically make the settings that work.

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Shipwrecked

Thank you for your response. It will save me some money.

I have a 350w power supply, will this be enough or should I upgrade? I was looking at the OCZ 600w for $79. If I can keep the 350w psu, I can upgrade my memory.

I'm running 2 case fans, 1 cpu fan, 1 fan on an ATI 9550 overclocked, soundblaster live value, DVD/RW, and I will likely overclock the system a little. I play games and burn dvd's mostly on Vista Ultimate operating system.

I eventually will need to upgrade my memory anyway, I have 768mb ddr now. Would like to get 2g of ddr2. Can I go as high as I want on the fsb of the memory also? The mother board has 2 slots for ddr2 so it specs say it will support up to 2g of ram (1g+1g), but now they have 2g sticks of ram so can I put 4g in it (2g+2g)?

gen.Rage1991hrv

you will need extra power
it is asrock mbo and i had one like it (changed to gigabyte because that mbo sux)
and that mbo cant support 1333FSB and it dont have support for your cpu so if you put that cpu it can damage it so that would be a waste of money
here is cpu support list for your mbo
ASRock Motherboard - Product - 4CoreDual-SATA2 - CPU Support List

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bdubslawman

Wrong!
Disagree about the powersupply....see further down in my posting. BUT ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ABOUT THE PROCESSOR! That was bad advice given by previous poster.


OMG third time typing a response 1Hr plus (GRR!)
sorry to be short & curt but this is pissing me off!

Don't get the E6750 for use in that board! No matter what you do. You can't run any of the E6#50's in this motherboard. Also not that the PCI-Express runs at a crippled 4x not 16x...AGP is full speed 8X.
That particular AsRock Mobo has a max overlcock of the system bus of around ~270Mhz. So if you go with a E6600 which starts at 266Mhz that's not much room (4-10Mhz of overclocking).
But instead of spending $220 for the E6600 may I suggest one of these instead:
E4400-$125 or less
(10x multipler 200base clock=2000Mhz) OC'd to (10x270Mhz=2700MHZ) which is faster than the E6600 & E6700 at stock speeds

E4500-$145 or less
(11x Multiplier 200base clock=2200Mhz) OC'd to (11x270Mhz=2970Mhz) which is faster than the E6800 at stock speeds
E2180-$93 or close (LINK: PriceGrabber.com - Comparison Shopping Beyond Compare
(10x Multiplier 200base clock=2000Mhz) OC'd to (11x270Mhz=2700Mhz) which is faster than the E6600 & E6700 at stock speeds

LINK: ASRock Motherboard - Product - 4CoreDual-SATA2 - CPU Support List
It can be overclocked to ~270Mhz base clock
they can be overclocked to faster than the E6600, E6700 & E6800 at stock speeds
They have no VT virtual technology but will you miss it?
They have 2MB E4400&E4500 L2 Cache E2180 has 1MB
Benchmarks show now penalty for this or very little in just a few applications... worth while trade as E2180 (11x mulitplier can be OC on this board to 2.97Ghz).

Power supply YOU DON"T NECESSARILY NEED TO REPLACE.

Here is a real world power supply power usage listing:
Note the Pentium D with X1950 XTX that processor uses almost twice the power of core 2 duos & Allendales / e2100's. And your graphics card uses less than half the power of the X1900 & x1950xt's AND 350 WATTS WAS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT!

LINK: Power Supply Fundamentals | silentpcreview.com

POWER SUPPLY CALCULATOR! USE THESE TO HELP WITH THE QUESTION OF WHETHER TO UPGRADE OR NOT ON THE POWER SUPPLY.
LINK: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5
LINK: PSU Watts and 12V Calculator

what's more important is efficiency of the power supply (look for 80 percent or higher). The more efficient the power supply the less power that is wasted and lost to heat!

If you have to get a new one...look for good quality (clean power supply power, high efficiency, and decent 12Volt rail as you can migrate your power supply to future systems if wanted).
LINK: Official XS Tiered PSU Manufacturer Brand Listing Phase III - XtremeSystems Forums

EDIT: Found the E4500 at Clubit for $133.50 with free shipping (comes up $143.50 then use this code: WEB10191938256
to get $10 off = $133.50 shipped
LINK to CI's page: ClubIT Product - Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 M0 Stepping Conroe 2.2GHz 2MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80557E4500 SLA95

Shipwrecked

Thank you very very much! I really appreciate the effort!

I am not sure of the efficiency of my current power supply yet. I am going to look it up online and see if I can find any info. All I know of it so far is it came in and older alienware case that a friend gave me, so it my be worth keeping.

At newegg.com, they claim the pci-express is 16x but the motherboard's web site doesn't say. I was hoping to keep my agp for awhile and maybe upgrade later. I really love my video card and see no reason to upgrade it yet, plus I can't offord to.

If a psu isn't needed I could upgrade my memory....hmmm.....I starting to rethink this upgrade....

***Maybe I should have come here first and posted that I want to upgrade my computer and have only $450 to work with. I have ATX case, 350w psu, ATI 9550 agp, 2 ata 100 harddrive 7200rpm.
So I'm looking for the latest motherboard, cpu, and ram that support these for under $450.

(looking at that statement, it seems my agp card is what is holding me back from truly upgrading)

Dyre Straits

Contrary to what was posted above by simply stating that my post was WRONG, I'd like to direct your attention to this article re: the Core 2 Duo processors. Although it may be correct that this particular Asrock motherboard won't allow the desired CPU to work, usually a BIOS update takes care of issues like this.

Now, for the link to the article, and a quote:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66 GHz 1333MHz FSB Processor Review - PCSTATS.com

"At the moment [date of the article] only the Intel P35 Express, G35 Express, G33 Express and nVIDIA nForce 6 series (680i, 650i) motherboards are compatible with the 1333 MHz processor. Some motherboards with older chipsets have been released which support Core 2 Duo processor, while others with the same chipset do not. To ensure the Core 2 Duo E6750 works with the motherboard you have in mind, make sure the board list Core 2 Duo support first. With older Intel chipsets, bear in mind the CPU may run at a 800/1066 MHz FSB, instead of 1333MHz."

Emphasis mine.

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gen.Rage1991hrv

heh
that power calculator is for shit
i get 520w LOL i cant even start my pc with PSU that have 520W of power LOL

and Dyre i dont think they will update that mbo for that core because that mbo is on its
max limit
but if they give update for that cpu
that will cripple it so that cpu will loose performance
so it is a same shit if he buys 6750 or 6600


heh bdubslawman
it is via 880 chipset
its limit is 800fsb but asrock is trying to get its max so they can sell it
that chipset is for shit allso with that mbo
i have changed 3 asrocks mbos 775dual,775dual-vsta,4coredual and it cant provide 270fsb oc and it have pciex4(AGI) and agp8x
that mbo is for shit
so i would rather save money and buy that one with intel chipset 4Core1333-Viiv
( ASRock Motherboard - Product - 4Core1333-Viiv - Overview )

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bdubslawman

I am not in disagreement about the quality of that motherboard. But I thought that the OP already had the mobo? If that is correct...then I felt dumping on it was un-helpful.
In reading the personal users responses...the board will do 270base clock. We know it does 266Mhz...as it supports that 1066 FSB chips at full speed. But the reviews give it a limit of not much more than that ~270.

Before you call the PSU calculator crap and dismiss it out of hand you really have to look at the many problems that PSu's have had. For example, on anything but the more recent power supplies that (Seasonic, PC Power & cooling and a few others are NOW producing) if there was an imbalance on the split 12Volt rails the systems would not boot or would shut down once the graphics cards gets loaded down. This was/is do to the splitting of the rails which was initially a safety specification & is now being abandoned in favor of a much larger single rail. (The Gamer systems designers at Falcon wrote extensively about this problem in there $3000+ gaming rigs. They over loaded quality power supplies that were not overwhelmed by the total wattage just in how the 12V rails were being parsed out (too many Amps on a single 12V rail). They activated/split the graphics cards loads using Molex to PCI-power connectors and were fine. Since this among other problems was discovered there has been a redesign of that rail....and others.

This is one of many problems that was initially chocked up to insufficient power supplies Wattage. Which was NOT the case and had to do with how the 12V rail load was being distributed. A work around for many with Nvidia cards 8800 & dual SLI setups was simply to use a molex to pci- power converter to move part of the load to one of the other rails.
Since this problem was identified you see the better power supply companies using one large AMPERAGE 12 V rail (though many still list on the side of the power supply & in documentation-it as three separate 12V rails Amperage amount...((because that is what many semi-knowledgeable PSU buyers were told to look for in the past))of more than 30+ AMPS, some much higher. The safety concerns of such a high wattage single rail have been set-aside.
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The wattage that the OP requires to run the system that he described. With an effecient 65 Watt CPU, a frugal ATI 9550 under 65 Watts fully loaded with work, some drives, memory and the small amount of OC'ing that the board allows
.....Keep in mind that you plan for the worst case scenario. In other words, i've never run a system where my CPU, graphics card, all my hard drives, all my optical drives, 4 sticks of memory, sound card, pci cards up the wah-zoo were being taxed ALL AT THE SAME TIME to 100% utilization. Most of the time while running a system you will not encounter anything near those levels; much less ALL AT ONCE!

BUT in the real world. That doesn't happen unless you intentional are pushing your system for a stress test / stability test. THE OP'S SYSTEM COMES NO WHERE NEAR 350 WATTS. Even fully stressed.

bdubslawman

-Alienware I'd expect to have sent there systems out with a good Powersupply.
-Newegg is wrong, it is not 16X...read the reviewers if you have any doubt.

Well I have been pricing out some budget setups to try and resell for a little extra money. Sites like Slickdeals, Fatwallet, ben's bargains etc. can help locate deals and sale prices. Some currently decent ventures are the Abit IP35-E for $91 - $20 Mail in rebate + about $8.00 shipping. Most online stores have it for $119 or +
Then Crucial Ballistix has some Micron D9very popular - Overclockable chips; 2 x 1GB sticks of PC6400 - DDR2800 for $63 + $5 shipping after rebates form Newegg.com...the tracer (LED lights) version is at Buy.com for $74 After rebates free shipping.

Direct X 9 (older version) but still very capable graphics cards like the PCI-Express ATI 1950 Pro 256MB are down in the $125-$150 range; sometimes less with rebates from Newegg.com ZZFly (use other price configurators like www pricegrabber com or google's product search.
-Mwave (Abit IP35-E) - $91 + $8.78 shipping - $20 MIR=~$80 ($79.78 + stamp) LINK: Product Details
-Newegg (Crucial Ballistix PC6400 DDR2800) - $109.99 + $4.99 shipping - $47 Mail in rebate = ~$68 ($67.98) LINK:
Newegg.com - Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
-Newegg (ATI x1950 Pro 256MB) this is the 256MB version - $134.99 the 512MB version if you want to go for a larger monitor or HD TV etc. is only $18 more $152.99. If you'd like to spend less the (ATI X1950 GT 256MB) is $20 less $114.99.
$134.99 + $5.84 = $140.83 LINK:
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100176L Radeon X1950PRO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

Thats $355.59 total shipped $288.59 after you get your rebates back; you've got the case & the Power supply. Add in the processor that fits. Also with this or any other P35/or 965 mother board you have a lot better OC'ing options. Also you could get a much cheaper PCI-Express graphics card to tide you over for now to wait until the next generations of graphics cards come out. That will lower the current offerings? The consensus is that the mid-Low range of Direct x10 cards are not worth while right now as they are simply out powered by the NVidia & ATI faster rated Direct x 9 cards. The x1950 & 7900 line. Besides the Direct x 10 games are still playable in direct x 9 & will be so for some time to come as game designers aren't going to cut out the majority of gamers right now who still own expensive DX9 cards.

The other issue, with reusing your hard drives is that most modern motherboards don't have more than (1) IDE - PATA channel. So you would likely need to get a SATA HD (good price ranges right now are $20 per 100GB ~ $100 for 500GB, $80 for 400GB) -OR- as a work around you could get a $30 OEM SATA optical drive Mwave, Clubit, Newegg, ZZFly, all have them in this price range. That way you could still use your same IDE HD's on that one channel (yes you could use a HD & optical together but with a performance penalty). P35's natively no longer support PATA-IDE anymore however most mobo makers have added that support back in. Usually the OEM SATA optical DVD burners don't have software unless they specifically mention they do. So they have no burning software & no cables....so you have to provide your own from the MOBO kit or what you have lying around or buy. Most P35 or 965 mobo's have excellent sound built in.

Its hard to "tell someone not to do something" but I don't think the 9550 is enough to build a system around it as it is not a very fast card.
With that said though, I built a system recently around two components, I wanted to Keep my ATI All-In-Wonder X800 XT (AGP) Card & I wanted to be able to use Core 2 Duo's. I found two boards from Gigabyte and went with the cheaper board. I looked at two AsRock's & one Foxcom board that were AGP & C2D capable. Admittedly this was a loosing proposition, but the All-In-wonder is the fastest AGP card that does all those features....and although they intend to produce Direct x 10 AGP cards there won't be much support after that for AGP. But a x1950 XT AGP is just as fast as a x1950 XT however you pay more for the AGP. AND the JERKS killed the All-In-Wonder line when they took over ATI. GRRR! Upset your fan base why don't you.

But for the time being it is a great setup with C2D support and is a good media PC TV FM RADIO (can import video from other sources & can record etc.) I could have bought an ATI or other TV tuner PCI card and installed it into my PCI-E system but I don't like that setup compared to this! Those cards are limited.