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Old October 4th, 2007, 07:51 AM   #11
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it will not boot.

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i bought cpu and motherboard for a mate, but the webshop wrote the wrong values (1333 fsb) on the motherboard, it was an 1066 fsb motherboard, result was, that it did not boot up (only by doing some tricks) but even then we encouraged problems (at this time we did not know about the wrong fsb); we went to the shop, i luckily saw their mistake (just luck, cause the exchange-mobo had another package-style thats why i read the properties again...) so we exchanged the mobo and woop, it worked like charm
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Old October 4th, 2007, 09:36 AM   #12
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I am not in disagreement about the quality of that motherboard. But I thought that the OP already had the mobo? If that is correct...then I felt dumping on it was un-helpful.
In reading the personal users responses...the board will do 270base clock. We know it does 266Mhz...as it supports that 1066 FSB chips at full speed. But the reviews give it a limit of not much more than that ~270.

Before you call the PSU calculator crap and dismiss it out of hand you really have to look at the many problems that PSu's have had. For example, on anything but the more recent power supplies that (Seasonic, PC Power & cooling and a few others are NOW producing) if there was an imbalance on the split 12Volt rails the systems would not boot or would shut down once the graphics cards gets loaded down. This was/is do to the splitting of the rails which was initially a safety specification & is now being abandoned in favor of a much larger single rail. (The Gamer systems designers at Falcon wrote extensively about this problem in there $3000+ gaming rigs. They over loaded quality power supplies that were not overwhelmed by the total wattage just in how the 12V rails were being parsed out. They activated/split the graphics cards loads using Molex to PCI-power connectors and were fine. Since this among other problems was discovered there has been a redesign of that rail....and others.

This is one of many problems that was initially chocked up to insufficient power supplies Wattage. Which was NOT the case and had to do with how the 12V rail load was being distributed. A work around for many with Nvidia cards 8800 & dual SLI setups was simply to use a molex to pci- power converter to use the other rails.
Since this problem was identified you see the better power supply companies using one large wattage 12 V rail (though many still list on the side of the power supply & in documentation-it as three separate rails...)of more than 30+ Watts, some much higher. The safety concerns of such a high wattage rail have been set-aside.
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The wattage that the OP requires to run the system that he described. With an effecient 65 Watt CPU, a frugal ATI 9550 under 65 Watts fully loaded with work, some drives, memory and the small amount of OC'ing that the board allows
.....Keep in mind that you plan for the worst case scenario. In other words, i've never run a system where my CPU, graphics card, all my hard drives, all my optical drives, 4 sticks of memory, sound card, pci cards up the wah-zoo were being taxed ALL AT THE SAME TIME to 100% utilization. Most of the time while running a system you will not encounter anything near those levels; much less ALL AT ONCE!

BUT in the real world. That doesn't happen unless you intentional are pushing your system for a stress test / stability test. THE OP'S SYSTEM COMES NO WHERE NEAR 350 WATTS. Even fully stressed.
man please short this things down
you dont need to write whole story of everything
i see that you trust more to reviews than a man who had problems with low budget equipment
smart man once sad to me : i am not that rich, that i can buy cheap stuff (explanation: cheap stuff dose not last long )
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Old October 4th, 2007, 11:30 AM   #13
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It's always easier to spend someone else's money, isn't it?

When someone posts an inquiry and they say their funds are limited, I tend to believe them. I also READ the entire post before reaching for the keyboard to respond.

When the OP first posted the question, it was stated that he was LOOKING at this particular motherboard AND, he added that he was also considering a CPU that would run faster than what the motherboard NATIVELY supported.

Now, I don't have any personal experience with this particular motherboard he's considering. However, I DO have an Intel E6700 Core 2 Duo that I've put into three different motherboards since the first of this year. This E6700 is DESIGNED for boards that support 1066 MHz FSB. BUT, the first board I put it into only supported NATIVELY, 800 FSB. The CPU worked just fine after being detected by the Motherboard BIOS and making the changes needed.

This first motherboard is an Intel D975XBX board, Rev. 1. At the time of using this the latest BIOS would only support 800 MHz.

I've also placed this CPU into two other motherboards and am presently using it in an ASUS P5N-E Sli board.

The CPU has worked flawlessly in every one of the motherboards.

Now, from everything I've read and know, as long as the motherboard is designed to support Core 2 Duo the 1333 MHz CPU should work fine. The REASON the OP asked about this was because the faster CPU is less money. Very simple. So, as long as it would work why not pay less and still get the performance of the higher priced and SLOWER CPU? That's essentially what he'd get.

I'm not advocating that he actually buy this particular motherboard. In fact, I'd personally not be interested in it for the sole reason that it's based on VIA Chipset. I won't ever own another one and would be reluctant to even accept one as a gift. I've just had too many headaches over the years with any VIA-based motherboard.

So, where is this coming from that a 1333 MHz Core 2 Duo CPU won't work in a 1066 MHz motherboard coming from? Is this from personal experience only?

Or, is there actually something anyone can reference to back this up?

My own personal opinion on it is that, if it DOES work for now -- even at the slower clockspeeds -- later on when the OP gets more money and can get a better motherboard, he's already got a better CPU.
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Old October 4th, 2007, 12:14 PM   #14
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It's always easier to spend someone else's money, isn't it? ????

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i shown him mbo that have 5-10$ higher price with intel chipset and with less issues
than a 4core mbo
i dident say anything wrong all i am saying i had that mbo and that mbo have too many issues
you cant put memory you wonna because it have limited ddr1 and ddr2 support
you cant run any gpu on full speed
if you wonna run gpu like 6800 or higher on agp you need to set agp to x4 so you can run it beter
any way i dont recommend this mbo if you wonna use it longer
so i am sorry if i have writed anything wrong
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Old October 4th, 2007, 12:45 PM   #15
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I actually totally agree that this isn't the best motherboard to choose from. As I said, I wouldn't even consider a VIA-based motherboard no matter what it claims or no matter who it's made by.

All that aside, the main thing is to try to help this person to get a good and decent upgrade within the budget he has. I'm all for that!

All too often, a person will run out and get the first thing they can afford. And, end up regretting it. At least we've given some things to think about and hopefully it will help.
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Old October 4th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #16
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heh
that power calculator is for shit
i get 520w LOL i cant even start my pc with PSU that have 520W of power LOL
I think that is more to do with the problem I mentioned above your system should run just fine on a new one rail 450 Watt Seasonic power supply, or an older one with high efficiency 80+ by putting the graphics cards power requirement on a separate rail. And have room to spare!
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Old October 4th, 2007, 07:55 PM   #17
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man please short this things down
you dont need to write whole story of everything
i see that you trust more to reviews than a man who had problems with low budget equipment
smart man once sad to me : i am not that rich, that i can buy cheap stuff (explanation: cheap stuff dose not last long )
In Regards to the Cheap mobo's. Some are excellent just have less features. Not knocking cheap mobo's per se. But if you can buy a $129 mobo for $78 vs 60-70+ for a cheap mobo I'd go with the discounted better board???
(MEANING: I'd buy the much superior P35 (Abit, Gigabyte etc when rebated without hesitation over a lesser board)
Re: Reviews: Reviews help back up what I KNOW, have experienced, or believe. Most message boards want people to site their work etc. so they don't just seem to be braggadocios.

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Old October 4th, 2007, 07:58 PM   #18
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When someone posts an inquiry and they say their funds are limited, I tend to believe them. I also READ the entire post before reaching for the keyboard to respond.

When the OP first posted the question, it was stated that he was LOOKING at this particular motherboard AND, he added that he was also considering a CPU that would run faster than what the motherboard NATIVELY supported.

...Now, from everything I've read and know, as long as the motherboard is designed to support Core 2 Duo the 1333 MHz CPU should work fine. The REASON the OP asked about this was because the faster CPU is less money. Very simple. So, as long as it would work why not pay less and still get the performance of the higher priced and SLOWER CPU? That's essentially what he'd get.

So, where is this coming from that a 1333 MHz Core 2 Duo CPU won't work in a 1066 MHz motherboard coming from? Is this from personal experience only?

Or, is there actually something anyone can reference to back this up?

My own personal opinion on it is that, if it DOES work for now -- even at the slower clockspeeds -- later on when the OP gets more money and can get a better motherboard, he's already got a better CPU.
And if it doesn't work what so ever then it's going to cost him more. Plus Penryn's are right around the corner Q1 Jan 2008. Less cost, better performance, better on power etc....so skip that logic until they come out. For today a smaller C2D powerhouse would be a great option.
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Well, I could say the same thing for YOU! If I was being petty I'd say you didn't read Gen.Rage's & my posting telling you that the board maker has specifically noted that the BIOS & board will not support the 1333Mhz processors. They(Asus) have been aware of them(1333Mhz processors) for some time and the difficulty lies in the inadequate POWER/VOLTAGE Regulations. When it comes to this board they will not be cleared to run E6#50's or newer Penryns, ever!
Newer 965 & P35 - P38 & Nvidias 650/680's all have the necessary class of power regulation on the Mobo to support the Core 2 Duos E6#50's & some have the needed fast pace power shifting needs of the Penryn 45nm processors.

We all make mistakes guy....I read I am "Looking" at the Asus as he had already bought it and was "Looking" at the board in front of him like in his hand. Don't know why I thought that, that is clearly wrong but guess my ADD brain just made a mistake. My Bad. Sorry also about the rude way it seemed I responded to you. (by saying WRONG). I just wanted to make sure that the OP didn't make a mistake.
I love my E6750, but just had been in a similar position (looking for an AGP/C2D mobo) So I knew that-that particular board was not going to match up. Ok?

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All throughout the post I have taken into consideration the money concerns of the OP. That is why if he can get the performance of the E6600/E6700/E6750 or E6800 for less or much less than $140 by a light OC. (Won't stress the Processor/NB components too much at all).
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When I realized from your posts that he had not yet bought I suggested a NICE system that could be had for less than $450 which was what the OP suggested as top dollar. My system even with a new SATA HD is less than that.
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Old October 4th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #19
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In Regards to the Cheap mobo's. Some are excellent just have less features. Not knocking cheap mobo's per se. But if you can buy a $129 mobo for $78 vs 60-70+ for a cheap mobo I'd go with the discounted better board???
Re: Reviews: Reviews help back up what I KNOW, have experienced, or believe. Most message boards want people to site their work etc. so they don't just seem to be braggadocios.
SOME OF THEM (true), but not with via chipset rather to take mbo with sis chipset or uli
they are allso cheap
when you think about it my cheap mbo costed me around 200$ just because they dident work properly
every change take from me about 30$ so there is no point for buying new cheap mbo
so now with this old gigabyte 945mbo i am fucking happy
because it is fucking good and price it is not that high
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Old October 6th, 2007, 06:23 AM   #20
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MORE ON THE PROBLEM I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH POWER SUPPLIES AND RAILS - OVERLOADING ONE RAIL AFTER ADDING A HIGH POWERED GRAPHICS CARDS> WITH MULTIPLE RAILED POWER SUPPLIES. THEY DON'T REFERENCE THE WORK AROUND.... (From PCPOWER & COOLING).

8. ARE MULTIPLE 12-VOLT RAILS BETTER THAN A SINGLE 12-VOLT RAIL?

With all the hype about multiple 12-volt rails (ads claim that two rails is better than one, five is better than four, etc.), you’d think it was a better design. Unfortunately, it’s not!

Here are the facts: A large, single 12-volt rail (without a 240VA limit) can transfer 100% of the 12-volt output from the PSU to the computer, while a multi-rail 12-volt design has distribution losses of up to 30% of the power supply’s rating. Those losses occur because power literally gets “trapped” on under-utilized rails. For example, if the 12-volt rail that powers the CPU is rated for 17 amps and the CPU only uses 7A, the remaining 10A is unusable, since it is isolated from the rest of the system.

Since the maximum current from any one 12-volt rail of a multiple-rail PSU is limited to 20 amps (240VA / 12 volts = 20 amps), PCs with high-performance components that draw over 20 amps from the same rail are subject to over-current shutdowns. With power requirements for multiple processors and graphics cards continuing to grow, the multiple-rail design, with its 240VA limit per rail, is basically obsolete.

PC Power and Cooling is once again leading the industry. All of our power supplies now feature a large, single 12-volt rail. The design is favored by major processor and graphics companies, complies with EPS12V specs (the 240VA limit is not a requirement) and is approved by all major safety agencies such as UL and TUV.
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