Sweden support terror?

**Regeneration** · July 4th, 2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by louie666

How many more people are going to die.. Israel is not letting in any food or water? sounds like punishing a whole nation for a minorities actions.. funny if our goverment had done this in Irelend at the height of the troubles there would have been an International Outcry...

Their nation picked terrorists group to act as a government. I don’t think its minorities, they are supporting these actions. Shooting rockets on foreign cities in every country in the world will be read as “war declaration”. How they dare to shoot long-range missiles and then complain about the Israeli army attacking them? You can’t attack a country and expect them to accept it. Minorities or not, their police should prevent it and make order there! If they can’t control their country, then they can’t have a country.

louie666 · July 4th, 2006, 06:14 PM

ok...but for that will not work will it, as the people of palastine voted for Hamas how do you tell a memeber of hamas from a cilvilian?...what do you do carpet bomb the gaza strip.. sorry doing what that or invading gaza again just brings about vietnam type senario which was present before the peace accord went tits up..

Perhaps more thought should have put into the original peace process ie forcing hamas to give up arms if they are a legit politcal group rather than terrorist organisation..and gosh if Israel hadn't been greedy and taken this land in the first place this issue would not exist.

I just don't think israel thinks of peace much just seem to be vengence..yes hamas aren't helping themselves..

Would like to know how hamas got voted in tbh...were there no other horses running in that race or did hamas lie to there People about there intentions.. I mean since they got voted in all external aid from foriegn countries was instantly cut & they are starving in there!

What do you do

Noobi Zubi · July 4th, 2006, 07:04 PM

the poeple there voted the hamas because they believe they will do better against israel. that and because that the plo were corrupted.

the thing is that no real peace prossess ever existed between israel and its arabs.

take the Oslo for instance, israel foolishly brought arafat from whatever hell he was at and ever since that huge scale bombings took place in tel-aviv.

the thing is, that the PLO is a terror orginization just like the hamas (i know that israel cought papers proving that arafet himself gave terrorists and their femelies money and gave money for perchusing weapons for the current conflict). you see, israel started talking with terrorists from the begining instead of finding non-militant leadership, what only made the terror groups stronger, now by surrendering to the world and talking with hamas israel is promissed to a world of shit.

louie666 · July 4th, 2006, 08:37 PM

its a World of shit either way lol.. but fighting isn't going to solve it...I think if you were able to speak families on both sides at the end of the day everyone wants peace & some hope for the future.. not revenge this is minority view of the people that shout the loudest.

I would hope also that Israel would consider the safety of its people a bit more by moving the settlements around gaza out of the limited range of the hamas rockets..long range they are not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket we

Found intresting article on why Hamas won the election...

http://dudeh.blogspot.com/2006/04/wh...ths-i-had.html

seems the only hamas opponent Fatah was a bit stupid coupled with the fact they were not entirely trusted by the electoret after corruption scandals & lack of previous resolutions working to resolve the conflict..

The only resolution I can see appeasing Israel & Palastine would be a new election with a New polical group with no links previous palistian organisations & hell bent on peace..

Noobi Zubi · July 9th, 2006, 10:12 AM

corruption had something to do with the hamas, but they weren't chosen only for it,

as to "move settlements", according the news two major cities were hit by quassams askelon nad shderot. checked wikipedia about it, askelon is the 8th largest city in israel and is bombarded from the ruins that israel did in its disengagment plan, places that were neve runder arab control. so running away is not the solution, is the reason.

israel has (not checked, just looked at map) about 40 KM between the gaza strip and the west bank, and with 15 KM rockets, that means that no one can really live at the south of the country - it's a 10 KM of "safety" until the new generation of rockets will come and danger the "safe" parts as well.

be realistic, no one ever said that england should evacuate cities when it was under terror attacks or was bombarded by the germans during WW2, so don't offer it to others.

people only leave places they don't belong to, and if israelis don't think they belong to israel, they shouldn't have a country.

p.s are you a bristol teams fan? i think Robert Lee started his career at Bristol County

HaZe303 · July 9th, 2006, 08:19 PM

I dont like terrorist more than anyone else, but i can agree that the Israeli´s brought this to them selves. They were given a country, call it a "gift" for their troubles. Jew´s were treated ill in the WWII, and earlier. But now, Jew´s are behaving the same way as their oppressors. I dont agree the Palestinians tactics and act´s of terror, but what would you do if someone tries to take youre country away?? You would do anything to keep it, and push the invaders away. Palestinians dont have high tech helicopters with missiles and panzers. They have home made bombs, and AK47, and sometimes just stones to throw!!? So i dont think there are any good guys in this war, there are only 2 "nations" making war for land. I think this war will never end, there is too much hate between arab´s and jew´s. And if there ever will be a 3rd World War, it will grow from this conflict. Im sure of it!!

louie666 · July 11th, 2006, 02:30 AM

making comparisons to WW2 is silly lol...not really same scale we did by the way evacuate lots of children to the countryside & to the USA, Canada, & Australia, during WW2 from our cities (not really practical to evacute the cities totally but young ladies were also sent to help out on the farms, make munitions, as well as genrally run the country as most of the men were away fighting, everyone was part of the war machine as they would put it "They did there bit"

Israel are doing it the other way round pushing the front backwards, rather than evacutaing or moving anything on there side..

The rockets they get a warning and yes they annoy & sometimes destroy, kill, & maim, but sometimes you don't hear a bullet, that must scare you the most living in those border areas..

Why does anyone think fighting will fix this... I really do not understand this, if you try to impose a certain veiw upon people and they do not believe it to be true & you opress them, once the tryanny of opresstion is over they will seek vengence/payback,..this holds true for many generations..look at any conflict and its aftermath..only the ones which have ended peacefully by talking & negotation haven't resulted in this effect..

HaZe303 · July 11th, 2006, 03:32 AM

I wasnt comparing to WW2, im just saying that its strange that a oppressed people become the oppressors. You would think that we would learn from our experiances... But thats just being naiv..

Noobi Zubi · July 11th, 2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HaZe303

They were given a country, call it a "gift" for their troubles. Jew\264ill in the WWII, and earlier. But now, Jew\264the same way as their oppressors. I dont agree the Palestinians tactics and act\264t what would you do if someone tries to take youre country away?? You would do anything to keep it, and push the invaders away. Palestinians dont have high tech helicopters with missiles and panzers. They have home made bombs, and AK47, and sometimes just stones to throwthere's a great book about it, "a place among the naions" you can read about the subject - it's very? So i dont think there are any good guys in this war, there are only 2 "nations" making war for land.

ok, a little history lesson, the jews were promissed a country from the british empire (when they were an empire) at about 1917 (it was called the Balfour statment) in return to gether help to the british to defeat germany. at this point, there was no such thing "palastinians" and the land of israel was mostly deserted (Mark Twain visited israel a few years before and wrote a journal, can't remember it's name, something like journeys to the holy-land) now, notice it, according this statment Israel was to be founded from the sea to iraq. later on, due to agreements with the french and the Hasshmic family the east bank became Jordan and the north became Lebanon, but still the was no such thing such as a "Palestinian nation", the arabs of israel were immigrants from the surrounding arab countries that noticed that israel's economy was quickly evolving, thanks to the jews afforts. later on, due to the WW2 the britons prevented jews getting to israel, in a stupid attempt to convince the arabs to be on their side england prevented jews from getting to israel, but didn't prevent arabs immigration, what created population unbalance (stupid, cause it didn't help - the arabs supported germany and jews were killed cause they had no where to run to from the axis forces).

there's a great book about it, "a place among the naions" you can read about the subject - it's a very detailed research, and was a best seller.

now, you can say it is wrong to kick someone from his land, but i doubt that if the mexicans in Texas will start rioting in attempt to get autominy they will be treated nicely (just a remionder - Texas was conqoured from mexico after the fight for the Alamo), so no justifications can be done here

Noobi Zubi · July 11th, 2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by louie666

I really do not understand this, if you try to impose a certain veiw upon people and they do not believe it to be true & you opress them, once the tryanny of opresstion is over they will seek vengence/payback,..this holds true for many generations..look at any conflict and its aftermath..only the ones which have ended peacefully by talking & negotation haven't resulted in this effect..

last time i checked israel was a democracy and all the arab countries were tyrrany.

now, let's think together. if in democracies arabs do terror attacks (not only in israel) but under tyrranity they shut up, maybe they better off oppressed?

at the 1970s there was an uprise in jordan, and their king sent the army to the streats. in ten days about 3000-5000 rioters were killed (no one really knows) and there was silence in jordan for 25 years (until israel brought arafat from his hiding place). see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan.

the same happened in egypt (can't remeber the name so i can't bring a link to wikipedia) with the muslim brothers. hte army went into action and overwhelming casualties were made, but there was no terror for years later. maybe thats what it takes to get some peace from them terrorists.
i can assure you that in every arab country there was such an uprising attempt, and if it failed it was only thanks to brute force inflicted by the army.

the irony is that israel ruined it all in it's futile attempt to negotiate peace with terrorists.
one thing you guys can say and i will agree is that israel donate t world's terror, cause they are the only country in the world that talks to terrorists instead of shooting them.