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Old July 11th, 2008, 08:38 AM   #21
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While I would agree that "he's no John F. Kennedy", I disagree that he won just because he's black. At the very least he got the nomination due to political backlash from the shenanigans of our current administration. And I feel as though he hit a cord with many younger voters, with his message of "change". Now that doesn't mean that he'll be able to accomplish "real change"... But clearly Americans are ready for some kind of a change.

I might partially agree with the sentiment that neither one is truly qualified. But that's the "Catch 22" (SNAFU) world we live in. I think it's best expressed in the idea that we "get the government we deserve". I know that none of the recent (say last 20 years) candidate selections have been remotely appealing to me. And I always had to vote for the "lesser of two evils". Just that in this case, Obama is appealing. And NOT just because he's black and I have some repressed feelings of guilt over how blacks in this country have been treated.
I sincerely agree with the assessment that he's attracted support based on the overall backlash scenario. The overwhelming majority of the USA population is disenchanted with the direction we're heading.

However, I really do believe that Obama does not have the experience yet required to lead this country. I'd much prefer to see some longstanding experience as a political leader over a number of years.

What I have seen, however, is a person who is constantly changing positions on some of the key issues and consistently making 'regret' statements for previous statements and associations he's had. He certainly is making 'changes' a lot...and he's not even officially nominated as yet. [Keep in mind, many of those superdelegates could still change their minds even on the convention floor.]

As with most politicians, it appears that he's willing to say whatever it takes to get the votes....not necessarily what it is he actually believes in.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #22
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I know it's off topic Dyre, but what did you think of Jessie Jackson statements that were picked up by a Fox TV microphone??? I was shocked and disturbred personally, yet it seems all they need to do is say I'm sorry and it's let go of. If it was not a person of color that made the statement people would be screaming for blood
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Old July 11th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #23
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I know it's off topic Dyre, but what did you think of Jessie Jackson statements that were picked up by a Fox TV microphone??? I was shocked and disturbred personally, yet it seems all they need to do is say I'm sorry and it's let go of. If it was not a person of color that made the statement people would be screaming for blood
You are absolutely correct! Several statesmen have had to resign under shame for much lesser infractions.

And, here's my personal take on it: What a person actually says in 'private' says a whole lot more about the truth of their character than anything they say in public!
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Old August 28th, 2008, 05:01 AM   #24
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Neither. To lead an empire such as the United States, you must to be strong and aggressive with balls of steel. I don’t think neither Obama nor McCain have these records or any leadership abilities. However, if you “force” me to vote, I’d vote for McCain since Obama is a total wimp.
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Obama is a total wimp.

I'm afraid that Mc Cain won't solve the problem that is due to the american over-acting in the world,

but that will be far better than this lier and populist social climber of Obama.

So neither, but to me Mc Cain is the less of two evils .

Sad :S
You all seem to want another George W. Bush Jr..

McCain has lied WAY more than Obama. Speaking of which has Obama lied about anything period?

I don't think Obama is a wimp. Just because he doesn't want to make the HUGE mistakes Bush made doesn't make him a wimp. McCain would probably be even worse than Bush.

Besides Joe Biden would be Obama's vice president - the most intelligent policymaker in our entire government (and probably country or even the entire world).

And McCain just wreaks of war chaos, maybe even worse than Bush. He could start a nuclear war for all we know; and probably will kill thousands of more people. I bet we'll go to war with Iran if he becomes president, and we'll never get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. They constantly lie about how if we pull out of Iraq or Afghanistan we'll be "attacked." 9/11 was probably B.S. considering all the news coverage was fake and Bush started wars ensuing it, so we never actually get attacked by Arabs. Plus WAY more people have been killed and wounded in the wars ensuing than 9/11. And I'm sure the Arabs would like us way more if we leave their countries.

And is it just me or does no one have a REAL reason why Obama is a bad president? Every reason I hear is some ridiculous childish baseless insult of stupidity - like "would we want someone who's middle name is Hussein as our next president?" What does that have to do with his presidency? It's a NAME, suck it up. Mind as well just blurt out "because he's black and intelligent," that's the only reason why people really don't like him.

And there is a huge difference between McCain having "balls" and just being a belligerent, paranoid moron. He doesn't care if we stay in Iraq for 100 years and has an even worse view of the world than Bush. He's already flat-out lied and showed how unintelligent he is too. I have a feeling that he'd lead the U.S. to many wars if he becomes president. He'll cause far more probelms than solve - if he even solves anything at all.

To think of how many soldiers have died (over 4,000, more than 9/11, not including other country's losses and civilians killed in the war) and the thousands and thousands (I think 80-90,000) U.S. soldiers who have been wounded. Many of them have lost limbs. To think of losing a limb in your 20s...you have your whole life ahead of you, and all of it will be without being able to walk on your own legs. If only Bush knew anything about war. How could one NOT predict the ensuing casaulties after invading? It's just like Vietnam for god's sake! We don't have a clear enemy and they use guerilla tactics. Plus Saddam's army was disbanded with thousands of former soldiers walking the streets with guns, and the other countries who have some anti-Western people who come in to kill people.



These 2 websites show how many major flaws he has:

http://onefinitemonkey.blogspot.com/...president.html

http://gedblog.com/2008/08/25/100-re...united-states/

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Old August 28th, 2008, 07:20 AM   #25
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Anyone who paid quarter-assed attention to details during the campaign would realise that they're both totally clueless. Obama has a better "team" so to speak and his election would be a historic event. However the same voters who re-elected bush haven't gotten any wiser.
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Old August 28th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #26
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I won't bother quoting any of your totally irresponsible diatribe in post #24. Anyone who calls 9/11 anything but an attack upon the USA, and then follows that by saying that all the news following it was 'fake' has absolutely not one bit of reasonable logic upon which to make further statements. Do you think the holes in the ground where the Twin Towers used to be are fake, too?

You sound too much like the totally irresponsible nutcase and former Congresswoman from Georgia named, Cynthia McKinney. At least you didn't actually say that BUSH was behind the attacks [YES, ATTACKS] on 9/11. I'm quite surprised you didn't with everything else you posted.

Total garbage!
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One day I'll know why the hell they picked saturday for the attack.
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From my point of view, watching news from Europe on local TV and CNN, MSNBC even FOX (for laughs) …..

Majority of Americans don’t approve Bush’s policies, only 30% do if I’m not mistaken. Then you look at the policies that McCain put forward, they are almost identical the major difference is in the Environmental policy.

The thing that I really don’t get is Democrats saying because Hillary didn’t got the nomination they would vote for McCain. Obama and Hillary had the same view where to go and almost identical policies on how to get there.

HILLARY=MCCAIN like DAY=NIGHT

I prefer Obama as the next president of USA

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Old August 28th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #29
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One day I'll know why the hell they picked saturday for the attack.
September 11, 2001 was a Tuesday. Not sure where your 'saturday' is coming from. ???
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It would be nice if you actually got who was voted for, not who rigged the votes the best.
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