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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #41
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #42
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I never said edward is an idiot (although his actions such as double quote-replying to himself, triple posting and the general nonsense that he babbles about and just about everything else would indicate otherwise).
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:18 PM   #43
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #44
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Anyway this thread was helpful in highlighting a few things for me. For this the OP deserves a nod of gratitude.
google: occupied territory
Then google: occupied territory -israel

btw: if you read my country's history you'll be wondering how the f**k we survived too.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:45 PM   #45
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Actually, the occupied territories were taken from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria during wars (which they started in most of the times). Israel already made a peace agreement with both Jordan and Egypt, and they got “paid” for these lands, and they don’t have a problem with that.

The only country with the authority to come with demands is Syria but they are not willing to discuss, they prefer to support terrorism instead.

About Palestine, the real citizens of Palestine are living inside Israel and they have full rights. These who live in Gaza claims themselves as “Palestinians”, are actually former citizens from Jordan and Egypt. They have no right to “whine” about Israel, Jordan and Egypt sold them out, not Israel. But if they want, they can start their own country there, Israel supports it/them.

Israel wants peace with everyone, and doesn’t have a problem giving some lands back, but the “others” refuse to discuss terms. I don’t think “occupied territories” are the problem; the problem is with extremists from both sides and hatred against Jews.

I don’t know what you hear on the news, but most Israelis are nice people, they are not murderers and they wish to live in peace, that’s why they gave many lands back, paid and worked hard to sign on peace agreements with some if its neighbors. For your information, most of the citizens of Israel came from the Middle East from countries such as: Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Egypt, and many more.

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You're still part of the countries you left behind.
Btw: I think hatred against jews is less than hatred against arabs as a whole.
The jews aren't the ones trying to rename the persian gulf to something else.
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I think hatred against jews is less than hatred against arabs as a whole.
Arabs and Muslims have a horrible image in the western world because of their aggressive extremists. The Muslim’s extremists took the Islam and changed it as a excuse for violence. Therefore, the regular Joe thinks the entire Islam is violent because of them.

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Actually, the occupied territories were taken from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria during wars (which they started in most of the times). Israel already made a peace agreement with both Jordan and Egypt, and they got “paid” for these lands, and they don’t have a problem with that.

The only country with the authority to come with demands is Syria but they are not willing to discuss, they prefer to support terrorism instead.

About Palestine, the real citizens of Palestine are living inside Israel and they have full rights. These who live in Gaza claims themselves as “Palestinians”, are actually former citizens from Jordan and Egypt. They have no right to “whine” about Israel, Jordan and Egypt sold them out, not Israel. But if they want, they can start their own country there, Israel supports it/them.

Israel wants peace with everyone, and doesn’t have a problem giving some lands back, but the “others” refuse to discuss terms. I don’t think “occupied territories” are the problem; the problem is with extremists from both sides and hatred against Jews.

I don’t know what you hear on the news, but most Israelis are nice people, they are not murderers and they wish to live in peace, that’s why they gave many lands back, paid and worked hard to sign on peace agreements with some if its neighbors. For your information, most of the citizens of Israel came from the Middle East from countries such as: Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Egypt, and many more.
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Shalom Shalom my dearest and kindest Regeneration,

I will have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on some points you made here.... Here it goes! If you find something completely wrong and false- PLEASE DO Correct me! It is , you do not know, so very very VERY hard for this man to do such feats- May it be well before the L-rd, G-d of Israel- May He be my Strength and source of Refugee!

To whom does the Land that Israel 'occupies' belong to? If you take your Torah ,and if I remember /recall correctly- It lines out a certain boundary promised to your forefather Avraham? (I think this is the case, so do not quote me on this, at all - my friends! Go do the research! Go open your Torah !) I , currently, do not know /remember to what extent the Land of Israel stretches out to - but if my suspicions prove correct, I think The Land of Israel proper is currently being 'occupied' by the 'arab' neighbors of the current , undemocratic state of Israel (undemocratic - that is another post - I'm so tired right now )

Now, why do I say Arab in quotation marks? Well, call me crazy, but if I remember correctly -paraphrasing now- the arabs, or the nations of the arabs are descended from their patriarch Ishmael - who is the cousin of the present people known as the Jews and /or Jewish people. If I remember correctly (do not quote me on this! Go do your research (open your Torah !) ) - Did not Ishmael , in the end of his life, *repent before the L-rd, G-d of The People of Israel? Did his name not change to Yishamel, from Ishmael? Now, I'm not no Jewish scholar , let alone a Torah Sage - but that has much significance and a ray of hope for the cousin's of the Present Day Jewish People... What am I trying to say? Just like Ishamel repented, I have this deep hope and yearning for they, also, to repent , as their forefather Ishmael did - and be added a Yod to their name - as in Yishmael... What is the significance of the letter Yod in Hebrew? If I remember correctly - correct me if I am wrong - please!- it demarks the lowliest and most insignificant letter- in other words - humility! I hope and pray that the cousins, I mean cousins of The Jewish People - repent! - Did they not come from the seed of Avraham Avinu? Do they not receive some* of the same promises made to Avraham ? The only difference here is that the son of The Promise was Isaac and not Ishmael.

Palestine, in a few words, is the name given to The Holy Land of Israel by the Romans after they conquered it and wanted to eradicate all memory of the Jewish People, Jewish Nation from it.. It is rather sad, but let us have Faith! It is , today, TODAY in our hands and may we merit to rebuild the Holy Temple on His Mount (The Beit Ha Mikdash) to resume the Temple Sacrifices as Commanded by The Eternal One of Israel - For He is One and His People Shall be a Holy Nation - A People unto Himself!

Israel is a precious People, Eran, my dear dear long lost brother.. That is why I made a decision , with His Help, His Hope and His Strength to cleave unto you and your people and your flock to become my flock... Never be ashamed to be a Man of The Almighty of the Most High, Eran - Never! May you only fear the L-rd, Thy G-d - The L-rd of Hosts - For He is the only one any man should fear, my dear friends , Not no politician or person, lowly or in high places ...

I'm sorry if I said something very false or very grave.. . I am very tried and weary of this writing... but May it be Well and Good before your L-rd , Thy Master - Eran - The L-rd , G-d of Israel - The Eternal One - Blessed be He forever an ever- Selah Selah!

G-d bless you all, my friends and may I merit to enjoin myself unto you and your people as your brother as it is Written- According to The Will of the Most High- if it is His Holy and Perfect Will, May it be so!

Shalom Shalom and G-d bless everyone immensely - Those are my Wishes - may it be The L-rd's as well - G-d willing.

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Yes, Edward is right. According to the bible (Torah), the Jews received Israel directly from the creator, and there is still solid evidence (Structures) to prove their presence in the area from the ancient times. There are still some leftovers from the Holy temple and some more ancient structures in Israel. According to experts, these structures match the descriptions from the bible! Identical.

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Ok, folks- I'm so tired of posting here it is breaking me up, my heart is failing me ... It too much for me.. I just want to wish you all much success, happiness and , above all, much Faith in Truth, in Hope and in Strength - In the L-rd, G-d of Israel - May He be sanctified and be given all The Glory!

I'm so sorry NGOHQ....

Regardless- may He bless you all and keep you all! May only His truth stand and if i said something false may it be upon my head , and NEVER upon any one of you readers of what this man has written!

Once again, i'm terribly sorry but , regardless- please pray for the Peace of Jerusalem and The peace of His beloved Israel - Like it says in the Torah (if i am not mistaken- Go do the reasearch !! dont quote me on this! ) - I will bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee...

G-d bless each and everyone of you and may you all go from His strength to His strength.... Amen!

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