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Old March 18th, 2007, 11:44 PM   #1
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This fantasy movie is a direct attack on all Persians. It's as bad as someone making a movie that glorified the Nazis. I have nothing against Greeks and have a few Greek friends and they are also shocked by this inaccurate and brutal portrayal. Read this: The Spartans were not freedom loving, they kept and abused slaves, it was accepted and actually encouraged in their culture for old men to take young boys and..., their historians spewed tonnes of crap that is only recently coming to light (not just battles, the construction times, speed of ships propelled by rows only etc). It's 99.9% BS political propaganda don't bother with it.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:42 AM   #2
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I have not seen the movie, but in your reference to the slaves, there is even more to that. In thier "coming of age" tradition, the boy had to sneak out, and murder a slave without being caught. Ill take your word about the older men and boys... Also when a boy was born, he was looked over and if he wasnt deemed fit for military service, he was left to die.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #3
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I'm not trying to attack Greeks. I respect them for their contribution to philosophy and democracy. It's not their fault they're being abused in such a way. They weren't half as great as they are being portrayed. Persepolis was built by very well payed laborers. Greeks (and Egyptians) just whipped some poor slaves to death. Persian coins have a symbol showing the equality of men and women, and their Religion's main tenet was "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds." and was symbolized by the furuhar. The christian cross is based one of the ancient Mitraism symbols. The English word mage (and therefore magic) comes from the Persian words Magus and Mogh meaning Zoroastrian priest. I can go on and on but you get the idea...hopefully.
I'm sure Italians are not offended by Asterix comics/cartoons/movie because they are officially categorized as comedy and there's no murdering involved. The 300 just sucks.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 02:02 AM   #4
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I will watch that movie today or tomorrow, and let you know about my thoughts.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 02:37 AM   #5
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Ten majors in USA last week (U$ miilions):


1 (1) 300 .... US$ 31.2
2 (2) Wild Hogs . ........... US$ 18.8

3 (*) Premonition ........... US$ 18.0

4 (*) Dead Silence .......... US$ 7.8

5 (*) I Think I Love My Wife. US$ 5.7

6 (3) Bridge to Terabithia .. US$ 5.1

7 (4) Ghost Rider ........... US$ 4.0

8 (5) Zodiac . US$ 3.1

9 (6) Norbit . US$ 2.7



10 (8) Music and Lyrics ...... US$ 2.2

As Regeneration, but on weekend, I'll watch. The article wrote by Koroush Ghazi is wise, and remember me old history lessons...
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Old March 19th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #6
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I agree that the portrayal of Persians in this movie is far from accurate, but this movie is loosely based on historical facts. It is based on the graphic novel 300 which in itself was loosely based on the facts. Nobody should watch this movie with education in Greek or Persian history in mind. Some sources I would recommend are, History Channel, The Last Stand of The 300 and also a Novel called At The Gates of Fire by, Steven Pressfield.
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I agree that the portrayal of Persians in this movie is far from accurate, but this movie is loosely based on historical facts. It is based on the graphic novel 300 which in itself was loosely based on the facts. Nobody should watch this movie with education in Greek or Persian history in mind. Some sources I would recommend are, History Channel, The Last Stand of The 300 and also a Novel called At The Gates of Fire by, Steven Pressfield.

Totaly agree chezy , and for you Unixlord i alvays laf my ass off from people who take hollywood movies so serious , and start to raise they voice in the defend of history and morality .

Many people on the word think that WWII was started by Poland attacking German borded , and that NAZI camp of deaths in Poland was actualy Polish not German. And so ****ing what , it wont change the thru , it dont matter , if some one is too damn retarded to read REAL BOOKS about history , then he will belive in Capitan Planet and his team saves the earth again buahahaha.
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Totaly agree chezy , and for you Unixlord i alvays laf my ass off from people who take hollywood movies so serious , and start to raise they voice in the defend of history and morality .

Many people on the word think that WWII was started by Poland attacking German borded , and that NAZI camp of deaths in Poland was actualy Polish not German. And so ****ing what , it wont change the thru , it dont matter , if some one is too damn retarded to read REAL BOOKS about history , then he will belive in Capitan Planet and his team saves the earth again buahahaha.
Respectfully I disagree with you. Sure we cannot take (aha: lame word) Hollywood movies so serious, but you sure know how all eastern and western behaviour was and is affected by the massive penetration of it. Remember that in order to preserve its personal strategic interests in Middle East, US gov do not care in lie to anyone - including its own people - to invade Iracq. And, so to speak, imagine someone writing a book with an overwhelming divulgation scheme about YOU, saying all but the truth, including the worst things. You will remain sit, because after all it's only a book, and few persons in this whole world will care, and the few others which really matter do know you, or will you rise upon your feet, and say: NOT AT ALL! , and do whatever you must do in order to preserve your ... history?
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Respectfully I disagree with you. Sure we cannot take (aha: lame word) Hollywood movies so serious, but you sure know how all eastern and western behaviour was and is affected by the massive penetration of it. Remember that in order to preserve its personal strategic interests in Middle East, US gov do not care in lie to anyone - including its own people - to invade Iracq. And, so to speak, imagine someone writing a book with an overwhelming divulgation scheme about YOU, saying all but the truth, including the worst things. You will remain sit, because after all it's only a book, and few persons in this whole world will care, and the few others which really matter do know you, or will you rise upon your feet, and say: NOT AT ALL! , and do whatever you must do in order to preserve your ... history?
Ok I get your point, but what I was saying is, well lets take an example, When I have a fever I go to my doctor for a prescription. If I am confused about something I will go back to that subjects literature to clarify my thoughts. If someone is confused about history he wont be watching a movie to clarify his confusion, he will go into his history books or contact some history buff friend of his. The important thing is that people who matter know the truth about the Persian Empire from Cyrus to Xerses and The Spartans. As for those who dont, yes there might be some who watch this movie and say "So this is how it was" but at come point he will recognize that some of those "creatures" shown in the movie are not true. As for some others like one of my friend he was genuinely intrigued by Spartan and Persian cultures and wanted to learn more about them. But I understand how someone might feel when his country's history can be so incorrectly and badly portrayed.
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Respectfully I disagree with you. Sure we cannot take (aha: lame word) Hollywood movies so serious, but you sure know how all eastern and western behaviour was and is affected by the massive penetration of it. Remember that in order to preserve its personal strategic interests in Middle East, US gov do not care in lie to anyone - including its own people - to invade Iracq. And, so to speak, imagine someone writing a book with an overwhelming divulgation scheme about YOU, saying all but the truth, including the worst things. You will remain sit, because after all it's only a book, and few persons in this whole world will care, and the few others which really matter do know you, or will you rise upon your feet, and say: NOT AT ALL! , and do whatever you must do in order to preserve your ... history?

Ok But WHAT is so special about Midlle East , that it shuld be trated other way that other countrys ( in the meaning of books and movies or even comicks shows )
Why can we laf from Pope , Bliar , Bush , Kaczynskich , and other things , but when some one laf from middle east , they start holly war , and thread people with death. Like with the picrures of mahomet talking trhu cell phone or what ever that was. We all equal , and the thing that i cant take most in my life is exacly this , people who think they better , and who think they know what is better for others.

PS. This is not exacly wher i wanned this disscusion to steer but what the heck
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