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Old May 21st, 2008, 01:35 AM   #11
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Hi there Ropey So I guess youre ok with Nvidia not changing a simple driver to not dissable sli on non sli chipsets, and then haveing to get a crappy Nvidia chipset? Well there are not many like you out there who like it hard in the as* like you..And if Anyone ever told you to be yourself, couldn't have given you worse advice I would say its time to be change and not like beeing rammed in the as*...Steve
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Nvidia are fuckers. Even Intel is more open with their *AMD* crossfire-enabled chipsets. At least AMD isn't stupid like Nvidia.
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Hi there Ropey So I guess youre ok with Nvidia not changing a simple driver to not dissable sli on non sli chipsets, and then haveing to get a crappy Nvidia chipset? Well there are not many like you out there who like it hard in the as* like you..And if Anyone ever told you to be yourself, couldn't have given you worse advice I would say its time to be change and not like beeing rammed in the as*...Steve
I would rather see a full open standard so that both ATi and Nvidia were interchangeable on motherboards.

That being said, what I would like is not the reality of now and if I want SLi then I choose an SLi enabled motherboard. If I want Crossfire, then I choose a Xfire enabled motherboard.

I most certainly do not purchase a Crossfire enabled motherboard with two Nvidia Graphics cards and run around a plethora of websites blaming Nvidia.

Let's face it guys, this OP is not about the issue of the standards. This issue is about a person who bought a crossfire board and sli adapters and now is trying to blame his inability to research or complete idiocy ( I can't determine which) on the lack of standards.

If I buy some great DDR3 and a DDR2 mainboard can I then blame the DDR manufacturing company for the standard not working?

Come on guys, you can see the discrepancy between the lack of an interchangeable standard which IS needed versus this OP's actions and blame for his own poor choices.

It is a Crossfire enabled board...

Maybe I'm off the wall here. Maybe you all see this as one event. I see two events.

  1. The lack of a global interface standard which is deplorable.
  2. The ineptness of a purchaser who now blames his choices on the company
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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:16 AM   #14
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Nvidia are fuckers. Even Intel is more open with their *AMD* crossfire-enabled chipsets. At least AMD isn't stupid like Nvidia.
RIGHT ON DUDE..YOU ARE THE SMARTEST ONE HERE...
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I would rather see a full open standard so that both ATi and Nvidia were interchangeable on motherboards.

That being said, what I would like is not the reality of now and if I want SLi then I choose an SLi enabled motherboard. If I want Crossfire, then I choose a Xfire enabled motherboard.

I most certainly do not purchase a Crossfire enabled motherboard with two Nvidia Graphics cards and run around a plethora of websites blaming Nvidia.

Let's face it guys, this OP is not about the issue of the standards. This issue is about a person who bought a crossfire board and sli adapters and now is trying to blame his inability to research or complete idiocy ( I can't determine which) on the lack of standards.

If I buy some great DDR3 and a DDR2 mainboard can I then blame the DDR manufacturing company for the standard not working?

Come on guys, you can see the discrepancy between the lack of an interchangeable standard which IS needed versus this OP's actions and blame for his own poor choices.

It is a Crossfire enabled board...

Maybe I'm off the wall here. Maybe you all see this as one event. I see two events.

  1. The lack of a global interface standard which is deplorable.
  2. The ineptness of a purchaser who now blames his choices on the company
I think you got it wrong here Ropey...If it was not for Nvidia beeing assholes I could easally get sli to work on this mobo..And figured I could...I new fully well this was a crossfire mobo, but didnt want to buy a Nvidia chip mobo..And had no idea Nvidia had made it so damn hard to hack the drivers they release and spent millions on to make sure sli was not able with the new drivers...And so it all comes down to ...What everyone els thingks NVIDIA IS A BUNCH OF FUCKN ASSHOLES...Except for some people such as you who like it hard in the as*....Steve
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And figured I could...I new fully well this was a crossfire mobo, but didnt want to buy a Nvidia chip mobo.
So there is the main issue. You figured. Well, by the many posts of yours I have read on many sites where you have used the same language as you have in this post on others, I can see that "Figuring" is not your forte.

You might do far better finding others to do your figuring for you. Your figuring has brought you a Crossfire mainboard and two Nvidia Graphics Adapters.

I most certainly would not want you to do any "Figuring" for me.

And may I commend you on your command of English Vernacular. You have deposited much of it on other forums as well when others have disagreed with you and put the blame for your personal "Figuring" on the person who did the "Figuring".

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Except for some people such as you who like it hard in the as*.
Go figure, eh?
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That being said, what I would like is not the reality of now and if I want SLi then I choose an SLi enabled motherboard. If I want Crossfire, then I choose a Xfire enabled motherboard.
The reality is... all motherboards with two PCI express slots and enough bandwidth could theoretically run both SLI and Crossfire. The reason consumers can’t enable SLI on non-nForce chipsets, is because of chipset restriction inside Nvidia’s ForceWare drivers meant to promote their nForce chipsets.

Nvidia don’t want consumers to have freedom with their motherboard/chipset selection, they want consumers to purchase their chipsets. In other words, Nvidia is exploiting their position for nasty purposes. Consumers like sinister_steve have enough reasons to be angry about it; after all, the nForce chipset isn't perfect.

If you don’t like Nvidia’s policy, you can go with AMD instead; or you can fill an antitrust lawsuit against Nvidia/get the US DOJ to investigate it and force Nvidia to stop doing it. In most countries, there is a law against such behavior/attempts to monopolize certain markets.

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The reality is... all motherboards with two PCI express slots and enough bandwidth theoretically could run both SLI and Crossfire. The reason consumers can’t enable SLI on non-nForce chipsets, is because of chipset restriction inside Nvidia’s ForceWare drivers meant to promote their nForce chipsets.

Nvidia don’t want consumers to have freedom with their motherboard/chipset selection, they want consumers to purchase their chipsets. In other words, Nvidia is exploiting their position for nasty purposes. Consumers like sinister_steve have enough reasons to be angry about it; after all, the nForce chipset isn't perfect.

If you don’t like Nvidia’s policy, you can go with AMD instead; or you can fill an antitrust lawsuit against Nvidia/get the US DOJ and to investigate it. In most countries, there is a law against such behavior.
I totally agree Regeneration and as I said, I think it is deplorable. That being said, what the OP is talking about in complaint is entirely due to his choices and not either ATi or Nvidia.

These are two separate issues.
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The reality is... all motherboards with two PCI express slots and enough bandwidth could theoretically run both SLI and Crossfire. The reason consumers can’t enable SLI on non-nForce chipsets, is because of chipset restriction inside Nvidia’s ForceWare drivers meant to promote their nForce chipsets.

Nvidia don’t want consumers to have freedom with their motherboard/chipset selection, they want consumers to purchase their chipsets. In other words, Nvidia is exploiting their position for nasty purposes. Consumers like sinister_steve have enough reasons to be angry about it; after all, the nForce chipset isn't perfect.

If you don’t like Nvidia’s policy, you can go with AMD instead; or you can fill an antitrust lawsuit against Nvidia/get the US DOJ to investigate it and force Nvidia to stop doing it. In most countries, there is a law against such behavior/attempts to monopolize certain markets.
Hi regeneration In my searching I find a few smart ones like you who know what they are saying and understand what im getting at..unlike others eround..In my searchings for sli mod drivers I have come accross a few others pissed off like me and dont want to keep getting it in the ass like Ropey seems to, and we are pretty close to having these drivers fully capable of running sli on intel mobo,s with 8800 series..Im glad we are not all like Ropey and just take a big load in the mouth and as* and ask for more, and actually get things done...Take care...Steve

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Hi regeneration In my searching I find a few smart ones like you who know what they are saying and understand what im getting at..unlike others eround..In my searchings for sli mod drivers I have come accross a few others pissed off like me and dont want to keep getting it in the ass like Ropey seems to, and we are pretty close to having these drivers fully capable of running sli on intel mobo,s with 8800 series..Im glad we are not all like Ropey and just take a big load in the mouth and as* like Ropey , and actually get things done...Take care...Steve
Modding ForceWare in this way requires reverse-engineering and driver-level cracking, two things forbidden by Nvidia’s EULA. Even if you don’t care about their EULA, it is not a simple task since they are working hard to prevent such mods by software-based protection. It is possible, but could be very hard to perform. Anyway, the best source for find such mod is on Chinese or Russian sites.
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