I keep hearing the death knell for AGP....but, it's dying a very slow death.

Ok got lil question , what CPU shuld be suficient for that X1950 Pro ??

so good to see agp not death yet, heh, i remember as soon as pci-e came everyone saying agp was lost already since no more agp cards would come, well that show 'em lol

Guys i wanna get that card when it hit the market but dont know if it have any sense without upgrading my CPU/MOBO.

????

well... most games nowadays use a good RAM+CPU+GPU combo, so in my oppinion you should upgrade ur cpu/mobo if u wanna use all the power of that card, of course sometimes is nice to use highest Resolution/AA knowing you will not lose any performance since ur CPU will be the bottleneck

ur CPU is basically same as mine, and your cpu/gpu combination right now is great, so going new GPU? u should better get some better CPU/mobo right away, and going new CPU/mobo u could go for a PCI-E anyway :P GPUs are cheaper for it :P

THX Shadow , one more question. What about mobos with both PCIE/AGP slots ?? Are they any use , or shuld i just get normal PCIE.
I ask this cos i wont have budget to get all three part at one time mobo/cpu/gpu.

ncain try to get normal mbo with PCIE

i have one with dual grafics and it stinks (now is ded mbo)
p.s.dont buy mbo with VIA 880 chip

wtf!? i just brought secondhand 7600GT agp for 150$ ... 4 days ...

I'd go so far as to say not to get a mobo with VIA, period. I've had nothing but headaches with VIA-based boards in the past and won't even consider them any more for myself.

I wouldn’t go that far, in fact I would say that they are an excellent choice of chipset for people on a budget wishing to put together a cheap computer. In the past VIA have had some poor chipsets but these days they are much better, performance is very close to Intel’s most expensive chipset. Please see below link to verify my claims.



http://legitreviews.com/article/377/1/



Upgrading to the Asrock 775 Dual-VSTA saved me heaps of money and it far outperforms my old Asus A8N-E with a 3200+ AMD Venice core. The beauty of using this mobo is that I was able to use my old RAM and Video card and as far as stability goes it is rock solid!



Benches



3DMark 2001SE – 22422

3DMark 2003 – 8683

3DMark 2005 – 4071



Specs



E6300 Core2 Duo

1 GB Dual Channel PC3200 Corsair TwinX

Asrock 775 Dual-VSTA

ATI X800 256MB PCI-e

WD Raptor 36GB SATA HDD 10,000 rpm

WD Caviar 320 GB SATA II HD 16 MB cache

Windows XP x64 Pro

Lots of other stuff

even though the newer chips are better

they still have more problems with nvidia cards....

I had the chance to test many VIA motherboards in the last six years. Most of them gave me many AGP related issues, most of the time. I truly understand the frustration of the people here.

I can't say that I've tried 'many' but, of the ones I did try, every single one gave me headaches and I ended up returning the board for a refund and/or exchange for non-VIA board.

Let's just say, for me, I won't even consider them any longer unless someone wants to give me one to try out and guarantees stability right off the bat.

true, i have a VIA kt600 and it doesnt work AGP8X with my Radeon 9500, tried 9800 before and didnt work as well, before this i had a VIA KT3 and a Geforce 440mx, and i had to change many settings on bios until it finally worked AGP 4X, and newer chips have their own problems as well, VIA may be cheap but sometimes cheap isnt worth the trouble

That sums it up pretty well right there!

Hey guys im new to this forum but was reading what you guys had to say on the new x1950 pro agp. Yeah this will be a kick ass card but if people are running an old AGP setup it will bottleneck the card even the top end nVIDIA cards are getting bottleneck by older agp systems i would say to run the card you should have 64bit processor or even better dual core processor with fast DDR or DDR2 ram if your mobo takes DDR2. If i had the money i would have one of them my self cus im sticking with AGP as long as i can so i hope when vista comes out they make a DX10 AGP card

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH

WHAT BRAND!!!

i had the Aopen AK77-600GN (KT600) and i couldn't get my 5900XT to run in AGP8x!

i had to use 4x!

if i used 8x, i got missing polygons in the D3D tests, and it would freeze in 3dmark03 on the troll demo

bottlenecks are removed by increasing the resolution and AA/AF

it puts more strain on the GPU and balances out the processors

yeah ture but i would try to use the card on a Athlon XP or 1st gen P4 even with the AA/FF turned full would still bottleneck the card

ops ment to say wouldnt not would sorry guys my bad

depends how high you set it.

and anyway a 2500+ is plenty to power a 6800GS at max speed.

yeah would be allright for that card but seeing as know one has yet to test the card out we will not know till some one has tested it out so the card could be over hyped

Guys, let’s wait for the reviews before we are making any statements. PowerColor are very cool with reviews, I’m sure they will provide many review samples to tech sites. About the launch date of this card, don’t quote me or anything, but I heard (A rumor) it will hit the market at the end of this month

YAY
...wait.. why am i yaying....

well overclockers.co.uk say Arriving end of November 2006 and there price is £187.99 Including VAT but i think that could change

Sometimes you should shush

Guys about that VIA chipsets , just for the info (cos you all say you have troubles with them , not runing agp x8 and stuff)

Im using VIA kt400 on A7V8X mobo from Asus , with first GF 2 Ti Pro then with R9600 Pro Ultra and now with nV 6600 GT , and never run into troubles with it.

So it look like im very lucky , juging from you words.

no, the KT400a is a rock solid board.

via is not that bad iv had two motherboards with via chip sets and only had 1 problem that when i put in a nvidia card in to one of the boards it only ran at AGPx4 but then stick an ati card back in and back to x8 but i read that its common with via

try to start this mbo with KingMax DDR2 in dual chanel

that card is way too big. i doubt it will fit any microATX case like mine at least. sucks for me.

hey guys i was wondering how this x1950pro would go in my older system as i cant afford a total upgrade to pci-e, and would prefer to wait untill dx10 cards are mainstream and the prices drop a bit...

i have a 19" LCD 4ms with DVI and a native res of 1280x1024 but i play all my games at 1280x800 16:10 widescreen resolution leaving a thin black bar at the top and bottom of my screen with lots of AA and AF.. sounds weird but it looks sooo much better (wish i bought a widescreen) and performs much better than 1280x1024 aswell..

now since 1280x800 is not exactly a high res i was wondering how badly my cpu will bottleneck a x1950pro (i really want a card with sm3 and i like the sound of a x1950pro better than the 7800GS) i already use a lot of aa and af in all my games and am really after a fps increase as i cant exactly get higher resolutions on this screen


i currently have s478 p4 3.4EE, X800XT/PE, GA-81G1000pro and 2x512mb dual channel ram @ 400mhz

would this card be a worthy replacement in my system over the X800XT/PE??

that way i can sit on it for a while until i can afford a whole new dx10 system in say a year from now..


thanks!!

Yes.

This card will give you much better performance, SM 3.0 and HDR+AA.

ok thanks


and will the agp x1950pro be shipped with 512mb RAM??


if newer games are all starting to use upto 512mb vid ram it would seem pointless if they are only 256mb.. i want to run textures on high if i shell out for a new card!!

I have the K7 GA-7VT600 1394 VIA KT600 chipset, with an, AGP X850XT PE, running a XP 3200+ CPU, and it's Never had a problem, and works fine in 8x. And I have had a 9800pro working on the same MOB. for the last 2 years.

my computer was bought 3 years ago in Beijing
it has a AGP card with 64M

Yea wjingjin , you card is lil old now. I think you shuld get muth better card very cheap.

however
i must pay 400 yuan or more for a newer one
i'm a student now
my father and mother would not support me if i want to push away a good one for a better

Good point and its location ... I have a very old friend in South Amercia ... what costs 100 bucks in Canada or US .. 4 times that there

^_^

I still think the switch to PCI is stupid because AGP still hasnt maxed its own potential out. Speaking of price fixing I think the companies got together and said hey lets introduce a new slot just to make more money. I would get this to replace my X800XT PE but whats the point? I will still have to upgrade if I really want to take advantage of Vista which I want to use.