Microsoft is making fun out of the govs, I think they should start taking some actions against them, until they will start to respect the laws.

i reckon this EU antitrust crap is shite.

for starters, why the hell shouldn't MS package its aps WITH ITS OWN OS,

if you don't like it, go run Linux, ya frickin hackers.

I've got to say that I'm on the side of MS on this one. One of the biggest headaches since Windows 9x/XP has been the constant problem of dealing with keeping the hackers out.


Here's another portion of that article:

Making Windows more secure was a pivotal design point for Windows Vista. The Windows XP operating system has been the target of numerous attacks in the past five years and Microsoft saw fit to make its consumer operating system less of a target. Unfortunately for Microsoft, the European Union wants the company to leave those duties to 3rd party software developers.

Why should I, as a consumer, pay big money for an OS and then have to deal with which security will work best?

Another point: Has MS actually designed the security from the ground up; or, has MS paid a licensing fee to use certain APIs in the OS? I'm not sure I know at this point.

While I know that many people are down on MS...and, in many cases, it's well-warranted...I think MS should have some leeway to establish a more secure OS out of the box.


EDIT: Just another thought on this: If security is to be left to 3rd party vendors, then why is MS expected to release ongoing patches to plug up the holes......and for free? Seems it would be the 3rd party vendors' responsibility to provide that service.

I like your post Dyre , and im on the side of MS too.

But do you REALE think that MS or any other soft will stop hackers ( i dont think about script kids now ). Its only mater of time and they probable working on it right now

PS. Anyway i gonna delay instalation of VISTA as muth as i can. Dont have money now to upgrade my PC.

Good point and thanks for pointing that out Dyre yet I still am not completely conviced that this "security feature" won't end up as a vessel for more WGA crap ....

MS has always seemed to think they are above everything else and this is a good kick in the pants for them

I'm not on Microsoft's side!! So ok, when I first read this story, it seems like the EU is being unreasonable. I mean I don't see what's wrong with having a nice powerful firewall. But then I started to think about it some more...

A few weeks ago I tried to visit a Microsoft site with IE, which promptly crashed. Allowing this incident to be reported to Microsoft, I was greeted with a little blurb about how I might resolve this issue. So I click that and it tells me that NOD32 caused the crash and that I should use their (Microsoft's) product. WTF!?!

There was also this thing at the bottom asking if this helped. I gave them my feedback saying: I trust Eset software and don't necessarilly trust Microsoft. To this I added the fact that normally I wouldn't have this problem as I don't "normally" use IE, I use Firefox.

See, now that MS is making "Security" software, they are back to their old tactics of engineering reasons for you to use their products instead of some other company's software. They would obviously deny this, but they will do everything in their power to stiffle all competition. And in light of these facts I'm rather glad that someone is standing up to them, as they seem to have bought off the American government.

If you don't agree with me - I DON'T CARE! You're mad, I'm glad, too bad...

Well, first of all, I don't know why you'd think I'd be mad about your post. It certainly would take more than someone disagreeing with me over an issue like this to make me angry.

However, you have actually argued my point for me. That is, a third party product caused a problem. Now, why did you go to Microsoft for help if the problem was caused by a different vendor? And, once MS identified the source of the problem, why not simply go to ESET for the help? That's what I'd have done.

But, it puzzles me even more that you would trust ESET over MS. Do you know personally anyone at ESET as opposed to knowing or not knowing anyone at MS? It puzzles me if you don't know anyone at either company but would arbitrarily trust a 3rd party over MS just because ..... [fill in the reason].

I still say that MS, if they are prohibited from including a Firewall and Anti-virus protection in Vista for the EURO community, that MS should NOT be required to provide patches and help when people start having problems. AND, they WILL.

Just for the record, I use a 3rd party vendor for my firewall and antivirus myself. But, if there's a problem with it, I go to them....not MS.