If acta is evil, what does that make sopa?

ACTA is a lot worse than SOPA. It's like SOPA on PCP.

ACTA is internationall, thats what make it worst... BUT WAIT TILL YOU READ ABOUT "OPEN".

Now there are 4 of those bills (PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, OPEN) out there in the hopes that at least one makes it through congress.

We already defeated the bills over here. Where was Europe's outcry?

Does America need to come to Europe's rescue once again?

lol you haven't defeated shit

Someone doesn't read the news.

SOPA has been shelved. (In other words its dead).

PIPA doesn't have the support needed to pass anymore.

lol, its the american film/music industrie who pressures american politicians who then pressure foreign nations^^
coming to europes rescue rofl, rescue us by getting all your corrupt politicians out of office FAST and leave the rest of the world alone (maybe you should try not invading other countries for their resources for a year or two, might feel good and you come to like it)

@Thunder350
Yeah... you defeated SHIT, not ACTA.
And to what you're refering now? Maybe USA involvement in WWII? I have to tell you - it was in BEST interest of USA then (since battles on Pacific) and not because of "good heart"

And BTW USA signed ACTA. Second, its spreading from Your country on the rest of the world , so saying "America need to come to rescue" only make You look stupid.


"The oddity was over the fact that the President just signed ACTA a few months ago. What struck us as a more interesting question was the serious constitutional questions of whether or not Obama is even allowed to sign ACTA.

In case you haven't been following this or don't spend your life dealing in Constitutional minutiae, the debate is over the nature of the agreement. A treaty between the US and other nations requires Senate approval. However, there's a "simpler" form of an international agreement, known as an "executive agreement," which allows the President to sign the agreement without getting approval. In theory, this also limits the ability of the agreement to bind Congress. In practice... however, international agreements are international agreements. Some legal scholars have suggested that the only real difference between a treaty and an executive agreement is the fact that... the president calls any treaty an "executive agreement" if he's unsure if the Senate would approve it. In other words, the difference is basically in how the President presents it. "


And this :

"This is why Senator Wyden has asked the President to explain why Congress has been cut out. Scholars have noted their concern that if allowed, this will open the door to allowing the president to regularly route around Congress on international agreements."



You being BUTTFUCKED by Your GOV and You even don't realize it .

Cheers and go rescue some one. Maybe Your self first.

You two obviously know nothing.

Presidents have signed treaties for centuries. But they aren't legally binding until Congress votes on it. Which due to massive outcry, isn't happening anytime soon.

Another perfect example would be the Kyoto Protocol that has been signed for over a decade, (and actually advocated from the US) but has never been put into effect due to Congress constantly refusing the economy destroying law.

Yes Thunder we don't know nothing , and You obviously can't read.

Obviously you don't know that the same happens in every democratic country in Europe - and guess what... we do have parliament, local (country) and UE parliament - none of which ratified the treaty YET.
Look what happens in Poland and Czech Republic. I don't need any help from USA ppl, especially with stupid sets of rules which came from there (and Canada, and Japan, and ...)

The US signed ACTA in 2008 and ignored the Congress, the US been rejecting requests to make the text of ACTA public because of "National Security".

There's something called a Constitution. It isn't legally binding until Congress votes on it. Any sane judge would shoot it down in an instant if it ever came to him. Including the Supreme Court.

Money speaks it's own language.

True, but the fact major corporations are actually against it. (Except for the Entertainment industry). There's more money against then there is for the bills. At least publicly anyways.

Heck even in the Entertainment industry which was the main driving force behind these bills, the ESA even dropped support for both SOPA and PIPA. Stating they want to prevent piracy (like most people) but don't want to restrict freedom.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/01/esa-sopa/

It dint cross Your mind that its publicity stunt. Gamers showed them that they wont put up with crap long time back.

So this proofs nothing , they still just care for they sales.

It proves when people rise up, all governments, and corporate lobbyist become French and surrender to the demands of the people.

Live in Your fantasy world mate, its not that simple, its not black and white as You see it.

So facts = living in a fantasy world. :S

I understand your upset Europe is clamping down on freedom and it's ok to be upset, not all countries can have the freedom America enjoys. But instead of taking your frustrations out on a random internet forum. You should call/email your politicians like we did. You should also petition those organizations who are supporting the bills. We had the Internet blacklisted for a day. I know Europe doesn't have many big internet companies.. but I'm sure you can come up with something.

Stand up and fight back!

@Thunder350 - after 9/11 your so called freedom was cut in half. With that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Patriot_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelan...ty_Act_of_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...ns_Act_of_2006

Of course you can always say some rules from those acts are non constitutional but believe me, those military guys plundering your home, searching for explosives or ties with terrorist won't care It's dangerous thing to allow such acts to exist in the first place.
You'll better do just the same.

I agree with you about the patriot act and such. But that's a lost of freedom for security.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety -Benjamin Franklin"

ACTA on the other hand is a lost of freedom for corporate money. We already defeated our version of the bills. Europe needs to mobilize and do the same.

I already wrote that status of ACTA in Europe is quite the same as in USA - it's signed but not ratified YET. ACTA isn't defeated by you (USA ppl) either - voting may return in any moment (some time AFTER next elections perhaps) so as long as there's no formal withdrawal threat exists.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_1...th-pulls-bill/

And unless we vote in more supporters of the bills after the 2012 elections (All the way in November). They will be DOA if they are ever brought back up. They don't have the votes to pass anymore.

On the other hand there is a bill being worked on now that will "combat piracy without hindering personal freedom". From a bi-partisan group of Senators. But we'll have to wait and see how that turns out.

ahahahaha where do you draw the line? Security? The most fierce USA enemies come from within.