| | NGOHQ Responds to HardOCP's False Accusations (Updated) | | It has come to our attention that HardOCP has recently published false accusations regarding GenL’s PhysX Mod. HardOCP claims that mod is infected with a Trojan and recommends avoiding it and avoiding files offered by NGOHQ.com. HardOCP hasn’t even bothered to contact us to request clarification, response or explanation before it published the story. In addition, HardOCP’s Kyle Bennett has posted the following fascistic comment on his forums: "NGOHQ will never again see a link on HardOCP and within a few days, the name will be banned from being typed here at all. The only reason it is not right now is so that it can be discussed easily."
We have checked GenL’s latest mod by using advanced tools and we couldn’t find any record of malicious content in it. The file is fully clean and safe, like all the other files hosted here. However, some Antivirus software does detect it as a Trojan, but that’s just a false positive due to the included EXE packer. Software developers use packers to compress their executable files and protect them from being cracked and debugged, a well known fact by every software developer and end-user. GenL is forced to use a packer since Nvidia has blocked his mod in recent drivers and it is likely they will try to do it again. GenL has even warned users regarding the false positive issue in the FAQ.
GenL has written the mod out of good intentions and in good faith to help the community. He’s not getting paid for his work and he does it in his free time as a hobby. He’s working hard just to help you and doesn’t see a single buck from it. Therefore, he doesn’t have the budget to acquire a good commercial packer, and he’s forced to use a free one. Unfortunately, malware developers are using the same free packers in their malware in an attempt to avoid Antivirus detection. To counter this issue, some Antivirus suites are targeting and banning free packers, and that’s why GenL’s mod is detected as a Trojan in those suites.
GenL is a community hero and deserves to be rewarded for his efforts. We are proud having him around and we welcome more creative users like him. HardOCP’s has failed to provide even a single real piece of evidence and we consider their claims against us and GenL defamatory. We believe that HardOCP should compensate GenL with a donation for their offending error. After all, GenL does us all a favor - for free - out of good will. We also recommend that HardOCP should check their sources and investigate before they publish false accusations.
Regarding Kyle Bennett’s comment, we would like to invite all HardOCP users to join our fascism-free forums. Unlike other websites, NGOHQ.com is a consumer-orientated website and proud of it, and we will always be loyal to this policy. Our loyalty to our readers cannot be sold or rented. We believe that someone has to protect consumer rights even if it’s unwise financially and may turn vendors against us. Update #1: There is something really fishy and suspicious going on here and it smells really bad. A few moments after we got falsely accused for distributing malware, it looks like someone has started a slander campaign against NGOHQ.com by spreading more ridiculous lies. Now who would benefit from something like that? Is that who we think it is? Tell us what you think in the comments below. Update #2: Users have informed us that now Guru3D and Rage3D are also misleading their readers with the same false accusations. Update #3: Now it seems that Kyle Bennett has censored the word NGOHQ on HardOCP. Affected users should contact the Electronic Frontier Foundation and ask for their immediate intervention on this manner to reclaim their rights of freedom of speech. Update #4: A few readers have brought to our attention that only two months ago, HardOCP falsely accused someone of selling counterfeit Intel processors. Eventually, HardOCP almost got sued for slander and was forced to apologize. So it seems that making false accusations without any evidence is nothing new for HardOCP. Update #5: TweakTown has tested GenL's PhysX Mod and everything worked fine for them. Update #6: Guru3D has wiped all the comments in its site. Apparently it was all a plot to damage the mod's reputation. Update #7: Comodo has verified our claims. Check it out. Update #8: Hilbert Hagedoorn of Guru3D has apologized and edited his trojan article with the following: "This news-post was invalid and we are happy to report that the mod was a false positive." Update #9: F-Secure Security Labs have emailed us too. Update #10: Kyle Bennett of HardOCP has replied with the following: "Thank you sir." Update #11: Symantec's reply has arrived.
Last edited by Regeneration; May 17th, 2010 at 08:43 AM.
| | | | 76 Comments | | | I wonder if Nvidia paid them to publish this to hurt the PhysX mod. | | | | More reasons to hate nVidia, im sure this comes from nVidia...
Long Live to NGOHQ.COM staff members and GenL. | | | | Now thats funny Sazabizc. If you had EVER bothered to read anything over at [H] then you would pretty much know that they bash on nVidia pretty good. | | | | I have first hand experienced the fascism that is [H]. The guy runs the site like a supreme dictator that can never be wrong, its quite pitiful because once you make him look bad he immediately backlashes and in my case turns into a little child. Nevertheless, the conclusions that Kyle had reached regarding this software is clearly something that was hasty and not thought through and smacks of disregard for the impact it could have on your site. Imagine if the opposite had happened to Kyle? Would he be happy? hell no.
Either way, a singular virus scanner is not the best way of checking if some software is malicious... hell, not even 2 virus scanners are. | | | | Pathetic, I certainly wont be visiting their site again. | | | | I'd personally sue them idiots for these false accusations! I know a good attorney if your interested! | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered Now thats funny Sazabizc. If you had EVER bothered to read anything over at [H] then you would pretty much know that they bash on nVidia pretty good. | Never really bother reading anything from [H]ard|OCP and probably never will. Anyway glad you found that funny  | | | | like Rege said amateurish journalism at its best.. investigate before you accuse someone.. | | | | To be honest, never heard of that site before... But i have known NGOHQ since their nVidia performance drivers... maybe back at 2005, who cares about HOCP nooby site.
Their will get their ass handed in a dog bowl. | | | | I love the work you guys have done. I scanned this file with everything I use to run my repair business and it was fine. I hate when people just act on something before checking and getting there facts straight. | | | | | | I don't ever bother to search for malicious files when downloading from NGOHQ, i trust them, keep up the good work, everything is probably nvidia's fault | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sazabizc I wonder if Nvidia paid them to publish this to hurt the PhysX mod. | That would not surprise me at all....I've got into dispute with Kyle Bennett before on his forums.....he is very very protective of Nvidia.....this is just proof of his paid for bias. | | | | this has nvidia stench all over it | | | | Who gives a fak about them?
150+ pages of comments in the thread prove the right or wrong of GenL. | | | | Sounds like the green team is truely turning into the pink team, getting their panties all into a wad over someone trying to enhance and break-open an otherwise proprietary standard.
Companies like Nvidia should embrace such ventures and put the innovation of technology in the forefront. I mean they should be engineers first after all.
I remember when ATI openly accepted OmegaDrive's endevors when he did the modified drivers as well as NGO's unless I am mistaken..... | | | | looks like the "news" is spreading... I've just visited Guru3d and what do you think I've found there? ;-)
I reallly HATE those people who just like to blame others for nothing... Anyway I am using the mod and wil continue to do so! | | | | People can be such assholes sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if nshitia was behind all this. | | | | Guys, you are certainly wrong if you think it has something to do with Nvidia. It is a regular false positive with this packer. The original poster just didn't care much to collect any real proofs and forgot to mention the fact that antivirus can make mistakes. Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration Therefore, he doesn’t have the budget to acquire a good commercial packer, and he’s forced to use a free one. Unfortunately, malware developers are using the same free packers in their malware in an attempt to avoid Antivirus detection. To counter this issue, some Antivirus suites are targeting and banning free packers, and that’s why GenL’s mod is detected as a Trojan in those suites.
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We believe that HardOCP should compensate GenL with a donation for their offending error. | A little bit wrong here. It doesn't matter if the packer used is free or commercial. Antivirus programs always have problems even with trusted shareware packers like PECompact. It's just their inability to correctly process any non-UPX packer, really.
And that's one of the reasons i don't need any donation
Btw, if anyone is lucky enough to have an account at HardForum, would you be so kind to let them know my suggestion: send the file to Symantec and wait a bit. Here: https://submit.symantec.com/dispute/false_positive/
For some reason i was unable to even register there at HardForum. None of my email accounts worked, i'm pretty sure they are using a narrow whitelist instead of a blacklist for filtering email domains  | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GenL A little bit wrong here. It doesn't matter if the packer used is free or commercial. Antivirus programs always have problems even with trusted shareware packers like PECompact. It's just their inability to correctly process any non-UPX packer, really.
And that's one of the reasons i don't need any donation  : | Commercial packers are supported by their companies and they are working with AV developers to reduce false positives. And you do deserve something in return for all your hard work. Remember! If you're good at something, never do it for free.  | | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by ShamisOMally @ HARDFORUM Haw!
Ok, this is integrity
HardOCP gets a forum post that said driver mod contains a trojan
So HardOCP makes a post saying "We are hearing reports that this driver is infected, we have sent mails to NGOHQ asking them about the tool, and we have also tried running the virus through VirusTotal.com to see if it had any true infections or is false positives, but we thought that our readers should know about this trojan issue and we await to hear back from NGOHQ about it, but for the mean time do a virus scan and do not download and install the nvidia driver mod"
We didn't get that, what we got was a -COMPLETE- flip out of the FOX News/CNN reporting style of:
"DRIVER CONTAINS TROJAN! WE LINKED IT A WEEK OR SO AGO AND TURNS OUT ITS INFECTED! NGOHQ IS TRYING TO STEAL ALL YOUR MMO PASSWORDS! DO A VIRUS SCAN NOW AND DELETE THIS DRIVER! AHHHH YOUR COMPUTER IS GONNA DIE BACK UP YOUR MP3'S NOW THE END IS NIGH!"
This is what HardOCP did, and seriously, that's just poor journalism. Nobody took the driver to VirusTotal and scanned it, nobody tried to contact NGOHQ, I just see slander painted on thick with the good ol tried and true method of grabbing the shovel with both hands and heaving till dawn
A retraction is in order | LAWL | | | | Send my regards to ShamisOMally for making the best post so far. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration Commercial packers are supported by their companies and they are working with AV developers to reduce false positives. And you do deserve something in return for all your hard work. Remember! If you're good at something, never do it for free.  | No mate!
This kind of thinking lead us to this situation..
Hack crack and always share for freee!! | | | | | | smarter poeple will just ignore it
Keep thw god work and by happy with the hybrid mod
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maybe every crack or keygen in the world will by tarjeted as a false positive. All of you know that.
Write your self some assemblie crack or keygen, PE compress it and see what happen. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by P1neapple | And if you look at most of the "positives" they are just generic reactions to the packer. e.g. even virus scanners "play it safe". If its packed don't trust it. But virtually none of the "positives" agree on the virus found. Implying, no actual defined virus. And 60% some of which are the more respectable virus scanners, report NOTHING....absolutely CLEAN.
just saying... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by P1neapple |
Did You read the above posts ?? | | | | Kyle has a habit of making himself fumble. He did this with the Newegg fake Core i7 fiasco where he blamed the wrong Newegg supplier for inconsistencies with the same amount of 'confidence' with which tabloids were covering Tiger Woods' sexcapades. He ended up being proven wrong, and didn't even properly apologize.
The spoils of trying to be a self-proclaimed internet hero when you have some following going. hehe | | | | On the upside maybe this will filter out some of the morons from coming here, we could certainly do without thoes.
This whole thing smells fishy though, certainly even they cant be that stupid to just say "OMG ITS INFECTED! WHERES MY TORCH AND PITCHFORK???" when its clearly not and just because some newb got a false positive while using Norton and shit himself.
The owner of Hardocp have been doing this for a while and surely they cant actually think that the file is infected or ngohq is some malware spreading wolf in sheeps clothing, there's definitely something else behind this. | | | | The guys at Hard are traffic whores. They know that a campaign like this will probably boost their traffic and thus, revenue. Kyle probably has a mortgage payment due or needs new tires on his two matching H2 Hummers.
A friend of mine developed a benchmark program for them years ago. They told him they rejected it and two days later his program was released with their logo replacing his credits. Stupid bunch of traffic/revenue n00bs. Love Live honest, hardworking, people like NGOHQ. Down with stupid shiza like H. | | | | Never even heard about the above mentioned site, I guess there is no need to visit them now. And as blindartist said, it's good to get rid of morons who will see a false positive as something dangerous. Especially when it has been mentioned in the FAQ lol
What a bunch of cretins. | | | | half the files you download off tech sites will trigger some form of virus warning on www.virustotal.com.....perhaps they shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered looks like the "news" is spreading... I've just visited Guru3d and what do you think I've found there? ;-)
I reallly HATE those people who just like to blame others for nothing... Anyway I am using the mod and wil continue to do so! | download NiBiTor.v5.2-[guru3d.com].zip from Guru3D and you will find
Sunbelt 3.2.1858.2 2009.11.12 Trojan.Win32.Generic!BT
ZOMG a trojan!!!!!!!
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pathetic, can do this all day. And yet Tech sites think THIS is "News". | | | | yea this is really sad, there is definitely some ulterior motive behind all this, theres so many files out there that trigger false positives I dont see why they would single out NGOHQ's, someone is behind all of this, someone is trying to tarnish NGO's reputation | | | | he locked the room now (so cant counter post him) and black listed anything with NGOHQ in it now
banning an website due to an fake positive is very bad
if any one wants to start an topic in the Physics Processing forum on H (if you can get an account that is) see if he locks it or not you just cant start it with this site in the description | | | | He locked the thread and censored NGOHQ without providing any evidence or explanation. Looks like the only suspicious thing here is Kyle and his malicious actions. Corruption at its best. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by lyla download NiBiTor.v5.2-[guru3d.com].zip from Guru3D and you will find
Sunbelt 3.2.1858.2 2009.11.12 Trojan.Win32.Generic!BT
ZOMG a trojan!!!!!!!
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pathetic, can do this all day. And yet Tech sites think THIS is "News". | Well said lyla. A can also say than I am a proud user of the Rege's DSEO which saved me from alot of headaches with hardware that it is not officialy supported on Windows 7 64 bit (an old TV tuner with BT8x8 and a RS232-USB adapter). So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH Rege, Genl and all the fine peoples at NGOHQ for all that you do for us!!! (Sorry for the tone, but I am still upset about the "news"... and also sorry for my english...) | | | | reged now (i was the last Unregistered who posted, April 30th, 2010, 07:05 PM)
still very disappointing, there are other False positives that are on other sites as well (guru3d for e.g.) |
Last edited by leexgx; May 1st, 2010 at 04:36 AM..
| Quote | | | | | Kyle really screwed the pooch on this one. Now it's time to see if he is man enough to admit his mistake and apologize to the people here and GenL. I'm not going to hold my breath for that though. He's pretty darn hard headed.
He locked the thread where people were startingto get on his case and ended it witha simple "Thanks for your thoughts" - no explanation of any kind.
GenL - Thank you for that wonderful little piece of software. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered if any one wants to start an topic in the Physics Processing forum on H (if you can get an account that is) see if he locks it or not you just cant start it with this site in the description | and get perma-banned? no. better not to poke the bad-mood bear. | | | | That is bullshit! The guy must be either paranoid or jealous of NGOHQ! | | | | Kyle is such a douche.
I was a member there for over two years until I got banned for making him look bad. He was trolling in a GTX 480 thread trying to argue against users who had got their cards and didn't think the fan was all that loud. Apparently he somehow knew what they were hearing better than they did. I posted links to his petulant editorials that show he can't be taken seriously given his recent ati fanboyism: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...enda_editorial http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...ing_editorial/
The second one is particularly hilarious because he flips out at NVidia for something it didn't even do. Well this being aggregated with his trolling made him look like a moron so I was banned without warning.
That's generally the way the site is run, you can see it in the thread regarding the current issue. Now that he proved himself to be a shitty journalist who flips out without checking sources, the thread is locked and this site's name is censored. Either he was right and there's no reason to lock the thread since it's an ongoing issue, or he made a mistake and should retract/apologize. Then of course there is the Kyle Bennett way of doing things: lock down any speech that might make you look bad and try to sweep the issue under the rug.
HardOCP is just pure hackery now. You can tell by who they associate with...Galaxy is probably the worst video card company yet Kyle goes on the forums and begs people to buy from them so he can get his commission. Then there are the "reviews" where cards are benched against each other with each card using different settings, a perfect scenario for someone who wants to control the results. I stayed around there for a while because I liked the people on the forums, but as far as journalistic content and the owners, the place is a complete joke. | | | | Geesh, i say we let this crappy site think and whine like the btches they are, they have no proof of anything, they sent their reputation to the toilet with all this nonsense, that site cannot compete with NGOHQ, thats why they act like total loosers, IGORE THEM IS THE BEST, people will not trust them anymore. | | | | Like I keep saying, there is more to this then meets the eye, there's no way they actually think the file is infected, there is someone behind all of this, someone trying to destroy ngohq's reputation | | | | I am working as training manager for Microsoft support and let me explain what happened chill guys
The physx mod will be detected as Trojan because of the thread activity. the overflow buffer gets detected as a Trojan since normally Trojans do that.
we can send a sample to symantec and they can test it for us.
its so foolish of those sites talking bad things about NGOHQ. here we as members know what this site is all about and we don't have to worry about what others say.
and we should be happy for getting publicity for free its normally called as a publicity stunt. lol |
Last edited by saikamaldoss; May 1st, 2010 at 01:00 AM..
| Quote | | | | | I have known Kyle since the days of the unreal framerate page,first met him when i won the baddest rig competition at Babbages CPL, well tied with riboflavin. I used to whip his ass at all the CPL tourneys 9 years ago. I agree that his accusations were not properly thought out and were just plain wrong regarding this issue. Its very normal for AV software to see free packers as trojans. Although I doubt nvidia paid him too, and as a testament to Kyle Bennett being a great guy , my house burned down a year ago destroying everything I owned. I emailed kyle asking for a helping hand , maybe some older spare parts. He sent me , a guy he barely knows, a core 2 quad , 4gb corsair ram, asus board, radeon HD 4890(best radeon at the time) , a cheap case, and a nautilus water cooling system cause he knew i preferred h20 to air cooling , oh and a terabyte drive. What hes doing now is wrong but I can tell ya that I'm sure he truly believes there is a virus in the file or he wouldnt be doing this , my only hope is when he sees the error of his ways he'll acknowledge it. Hes a great guy I just think he jumped the gun on this one. | | | | | | Even mod 1.02 had this problem, but I sent a copy of the 1.02 file to avast and they confirmed it to be a false positive. Will do the same this time around, and im 100% sure that it will have the same answer, FALSE.
Very amateurish of Kyle @ [H] and Guru3d not to check this before jumping the gun to bad mouth our beloved NGOHQ and GenL. Lost alot of respect for them for this stunt. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by M1th I have known Kyle since the days of the unreal framerate page,first met him when i won the baddest rig competition at Babbages CPL, well tied with riboflavin. I used to whip his ass at all the CPL tourneys 9 years ago. I agree that his accusations were not properly thought out and were just plain wrong regarding this issue. Its very normal for AV software to see free packers as trojans. Although I doubt nvidia paid him too, and as a testament to Kyle Bennett being a great guy , my house burned down a year ago destroying everything I owned. I emailed kyle asking for a helping hand , maybe some older spare parts. He sent me , a guy he barely knows, a core 2 quad , 4gb corsair ram, asus board, radeon HD 4890(best radeon at the time) , a cheap case, and a nautilus water cooling system cause he knew i preferred h20 to air cooling , oh and a terabyte drive. What hes doing now is wrong but I can tell ya that I'm sure he truly believes there is a virus in the file or he wouldnt be doing this , my only hope is when he sees the error of his ways he'll acknowledge it. Hes a great guy I just think he jumped the gun on this one. | If he is such a great guy he will apologize soon. Otherwise he is just a dick that has too much money on his hands. | | | | but in this case i think its just the free packer thats been detected as an virus when its not (not whats inside the packed file)
also this is what it was what seem to have made the ban happen it seems (last post from boy) http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1513336
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Last edited by leexgx; May 1st, 2010 at 04:45 AM..
| Quote | | | | | Lol, it was in the original post saying who they thanked for the info about the so called infostealer virus Quote: |
Thanks to Theron E. for the heads up.
| | | | | Many crack files out there always detected as a malware by most of the antivirus.
I always ignore them becoz I know it is just the exe packer is not as normal as others.
And until now, my pc is clean from virus.
Now, this case I think the nvidia has something to do with it. If not, why hardocp would want to do this? There is no benefit unless SOMEONE pay them~
I'm using Bitdefender. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by lyla download NiBiTor.v5.2-[guru3d.com].zip from Guru3D and you will find
Sunbelt 3.2.1858.2 2009.11.12 Trojan.Win32.Generic!BT
ZOMG a trojan!!!!!!! | Hahahaha | | | | Just shows how amateur Guru3D and Hard OCP are. Any one who has spent more than a few years with computers knows what false positives are and knows how to interpret the variety of hits shown. If this was a game password stealer...why is it only 1 out of 18 hits that identifies it as such, why are the other 17 hits miscellaneous packer ones.
But okay, I accept amateurs are amateurs....thats fine, but what is this nonsense of "I will ban the term NGOHQ from being mentioned on our forums and all links, etc.....zomg I can find viruses on google on H|OCP on Guru3D, shall we BAN THE NET!111One!!!1 | | | | I guess Nvidia didn't like Kyle's Fermi review, so now he's trying to kiss their asses on my behalf. | | | | i cant find any comments on guru3d forums about it | | | | | | | | Too much panic going on these days. | | | | I got perma banned from Guru3D, "no reason given", yet my posts on the news threads that were 100% factual
"""download NiBiTor.v5.2-[guru3d.com].zip from Guru3D and you will find
Sunbelt 3.2.1858.2 2009.11.12 Trojan.Win32.Generic!BT
ZOMG a trojan!!!!!!!"""
were deleted. That well warrants a permanent ban on this IP address, not. | | | | what a bunch of assholes they are | | | | The only one actually involved in this that seems to have a cool head is GenL.
Kyle: went off and posted stupid shit based off of half assed, apparently incorrect info, then went so far as banning the term NGOHQ, and locking the thread where it was being discussed. The [H]Iron Curtain came down the moment Kyle figured he was prolly wrong. Not cool man, not cool.
Regeneration: Counters the accusations by screaming like an infant over Kyle's misdeed. He could have just stepped back and proved the file was clean, and then just said Kyle was incorrect. He could have had the high ground, and looked like an unjustly persecuted victim, but now he just looks like an ass that happened to be correct. Not cool man, not cool.
In any case, the time for reason seems to have passed us by some time ago. | | | | I'm trying to provide support for you GenL. This is unjust in what is going on. No one is performing a fact finding, all they are doing is posting it saying to just go ahead and stay away from it, but not providing any real information.
I have posted my thoughts AND YouTube videos which show case this mod on sites like the Extreme Overclocking Forums, Guru3D and TweakTown.
I have also sent an e-mail to Tom's Hardware so hopefully they will cover the story sometime with in the next day or two. I'm pretty sure they would like something like this to debunk some tech sites.
My account at Guru3D was just deleted after posting video show casing the mod and saying that none of my game account information had been stolen or anything. |
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| Quote | | | | | good efforts KillerCheese, althought toms maybe wasnt the best place to turn as they are in nvidia's pocket | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerCheese My account at Guru3D was just deleted after posting video show casing the mod and saying that none of my game account information had been stolen or anything. | It is stuff like that, that adds credence to this "paranoid" theory that Nvidia is pushing to get rid of or ruin the reputation of something that allows people to do, what they have clearly tried to stop, using an AMD/Ati card as the main 3d accelerator whilst still having full Physx.
Why would Guru3D be so quick to delete accounts of people pointing out that there is no evidence that this miscellaneous tool is actually infected. Must silence those that disagree...
Does not reflect well on them, as these sites should be open to at least debate, or preferably get to the truth of any claim, whether it is a claim that a file has a virus, or a claim that one card is faster than another in a game. "review" sites should always be about finding the truth, not shutting people up who disagree with the company that "supports" them, once they allow "Nvidia" to control them, everything they say is just an Nvidia billboard, and there fore like most commercials complete twaddle and to be ignored. | | | | I think I was banned from hardocp over defending GenL's mod. Seriously Kyle, not even a pm? Show some balls man, this insta ban stuff is for weasels.
Anyways, this is a good mod. It's a shame all this had to happen over some knee-jerk reactions. | | | | BUt if they were knee jerk reactions they would be able to concede they have no solid evidence for the level of actions/silencing that has gone on. If it was a knee jerk reaction, Kyle could easily have not banned NGOHQ from his forums for eternity, Guru3D could have just posted, "yes false positives exist, but you have yet to 100% prove this is one.", "as we don't have the source we stand by the warning", but no they just silenced anyone trying to make the point they carry as many false positive trojans than any one else. Which does suggest a strong motivation to stand by the message "do not touch this mod, there be dragons in it" | | | | Clearly nVidia is pushing as hard as they can with this issue, not cool nVidia, not cool... greedy morons.
Im selling my 8800GT if not sueing nvidia soon, what ever happends first. | | | | Guru3d and HardOCP just down right suck. They are ban happy. I stopped going to their sites years ago. | | | | I'd rather trust a rabid dog not to bite me than trust anything shitmantec have to say and as for [H] and guru well theirs is just an opinion a totally noob one and those who know NGOHQ will not put any stock in craptastic misreporting | | | | | | I've been a "member" of [H] for 6 years.
I find HardOCPs style of journalism to fit just fine. I believe their reviews are very well done and honest. Lately they have been a little heavy on the ATI sauce though.
The guys in the forum are helpful and pretty reasonable. The trades and sales section is honest and well done.
Kyle can be harsh, no doubt. I think there are many times when he shoots from the hip and then will refuse to see the other side.
Banning this site without adequate information was just wrong.
I plan on using this software in my system and am not worried about it's quality. The problem has ben explained well here.......and I appreciate that.
I rarely come here, but it seems that I will stop here more in the future to grab updates for the Physx software.
I appreciate your efforts and time. | | | | HardOCP and Overclockers.com are both full of idiots that don't know half the shit they are talking about.
Atleast here, you can discuss with people that actually know the shit they are talking about, and though things might get mouthy, atleast nobody acts like a fuckin pansy round here.... well except for darthcyclonis who's accusations could earn him a punch in the throat... but thats neither here nor there. | | | | http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/5...fdb-1272569502
There are 5 AV's on that list that i trust explicitly, and none of them found a trojan.
not even Kaspersky which uses advanced behavior heuristics.
Avast 4.8.1351.0 2010.04.29 - clean
Avast5 5.0.332.0 2010.04.29 - clean
Kaspersky 7.0.0.125 2010.04.29 - clean
NOD32 5073 2010.04.29 - clean
TrendMicro 9.120.0.1004 2010.04.29 - clean | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sazabizc I wonder if Nvidia paid them to publish this to hurt the PhysX mod. | Umm it could also be ATI / ATI fanboys setting this up to make nVidia look bad to try and force PhysX support for ATI from nVidia - I don't think assumptions or wild accusations are going to help this situation at all. | | | | guru3d removing posts was due to home page it only keeps posts on there for an short time
any posts in the forum would stay | | |
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