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| Nvidia ForceWare 196.75 Critical Fan Bug | |
Just spotted the following article on IncGamers: "I want to warn all of our visitors who are participating in the StarCraft II Beta to refrain from installing the latest NVIDIA WHQL 196.75 WHQL-certified drivers. If you already installed it, uninstall it and downgrade to the previous version. Yeah, it's that serious. Many players are reporting their PCs or graphic card have died. It also affects all Blizzard games, so heed the call and safe your hardware's life.
According to Blizzard's Tech Support the latest NVIDIA drivers are causing fan control to not work correctly and causes massive overheat. StarCraft II Beta might kill your PC or card literally. A fix is already in the works. Stay tuned for further updates.
We're getting reports where users are getting intermittent low FPS after installing these drivers. It seems that it is related to the fan control included in these drivers not working correctly and is causing the video card to overheat on 3D applications. This will affect Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft and StarCraft 2 Beta. Please uninstall the drivers and revert back to the older ones."
Update: Nvidia has removed ForceWare 196.75 from its site due to critical fan bug. "We are aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues with the latest 196.75 WHQL drivers on NVIDIA.com. Until we can verify and root cause this issue, we recommend that customers stay with, or return to 196.21 WHQL drivers. Release 196.75 drivers have been temporarily removed from our Web site in the meantime." said Bryan Del Rizzo from Nvidia.
Last edited by Regeneration; March 5th, 2010 at 09:21 AM.
| | | | 37 Comments | | | | | heh, yeah fan's aren't working whether you control em via the automatic values or set a Fan speed up profile in system tools.
but who's stupid enough to rely on the automatic setting anyway? |
Last edited by squall_leonhart; March 5th, 2010 at 01:52 AM..
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Originally Posted by squall_leonhart  but who's stupid enough to rely on the automatic setting anyway? | You're kidding, right? | | | | no, im serious.
the automatic range is really crappy for temps. | | | | I have these drivers installed and have zero problems. I use evga tuner and set my fan speed to 100% anyway. I don't think I have any games made by Blizzard so can't see if my computer will play them with these drivers. | | | | its not an issue of these drivers vs blizzard games
its the driver vs auto fan management.
it would appear the Temp range is not controlling the fan speed again.... it'll get fixed quickly enough. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart no, im serious.
the automatic range is really crappy for temps. | I'm not referring to the part about automatic setting, I'm referring to the part about people being stupid enough to use it. | | | | | | That's ironic. This happens just a few weeks after you and Nvidia mocked AMD for the GSOD. | | | | Well in this day where temperatures can be easily monitored, it serves them right for not properly testing drivers they have installed. | | | | So now it's the consumer fault for using official WHQL drivers from Nvidia's website. | | | | Yes. for believing WHQL means anything other then being certified to run MSFT Word. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart Yes. | Don't take it wrong, but you're full of shit. | | | | no, im speaking perfect truth.
nvidia's WHQL drivers ARE ALWAYS THEIR WORST. | | | | So, a small percentage of ATI 5XXX users get GSOD problems -> frontpage news everywhere, mockery, ATI sucks, NVidia rocks, etc etc
A percentage of 196.75 (official and certified) drivers users get their cards burned for good -> it's their fault for downloading the drivers and \ or not monitoring temps properly.
In a world where we know that the grand majority of people don't really have any IT knowledge, that argument is just invalid and makes no sense whatsoever. | | | | its the users fault either way for expecting someone else to raise the kids, do their laundrey, wash their cars, monitor their temps and change the world for them.
The only person that can ensure such problems do not occur is the person managing the system. | | | | A. You get a wife, fuck her, she gets pregnant, you get a child, care for it, educate it etc.
B. You get on-line, download and install the driver and your GPU get's fried.
Yeah, it's pretty much the same level of involvement. When you get a child, you pretty much expect something will go wrong so you're extra careful. As you invested years of your life and pints of your blood into your offspring. When you download a driver, you maybe expect it will fuck up some games, but you don't expect it will fry your card. | | | | Fact: The driver didn't fry the card.
The high load did due to inefficient cooling.
Fact: Automatic fan controls are not trustable. hence why as performance enthusiasts we don't tend to use flashy adjustable fans in high performance systems
Fact: Even at the default 40% the card shouldn't fry under normal game loads. (I've been and tested critical scenario's when doing fault testing for companies when installing GFX hardware).
I've seen a shader heavy game take a gpu up to 100c easily, but it TDR'd well before it burnt.
What is blizzards games doing that works towards the cards overstressing and burning. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart Automatic fan controls are not trustable. | Does it warn about this in the driver installer license or on Nvida site? If not, why not? | | | | Quote: |
Does it warn about this in the driver installer license
| Fault tolerance has nothing to do with the driver. Nvidia doesn't sell graphics cards. Its up to the Card vendor to publish any warnings regarding the capabilities of the card and how susceptible they are to faults.
now i've had my own card up over 100c before, 104 to be exact.
In every instance i've done overheat testings, the moment it rolls over to 105 the driver resets and drops the clocks back to low power 3D, Yes, even 196.75 has this behavior.
What is Starcraft 2 doing that pushes the cooler past 105 so fast that it doesn't have a chance to TDR? | | | | Quote: |
Nvidia doesn't sell graphics cards.
| So, you download driver+CP package for your Nvidia card from ATI's site? Nice find. Quote: |
What is Starcraft 2 doing that pushes the cooler past 105 so fast that it doesn't have a chance to TDR?
| I consider this to be bullshit.
The driver and the CP which Nvidia produces have nothing at all to do with fan control? How come this problem surfaces only with the latest package? If it's a hardware fault, one might think it would be driver+CP independent. | | | | Quote: |
So, you download driver+CP package for your Nvidia card from ATI's site? Nice find.
| Nvidia doesn't sell graphics cards. Quote: |
I consider this to be bullshit.
| Thats what they said when OOCP caused radeon 4k cards to black screen under load. | | | | Quote: |
Nvidia doesn't sell graphics cards.
| So, you download driver+CP package for your Nvidia card from ATI's site? Nice find. Quote: |
The driver and the CP which Nvidia produces have nothing at all to do with fan control? How come this problem surfaces only with the latest package? If it's a hardware fault, one might think it would be driver+CP independent. | Nivida makes drivers and CP for cards which feature Nvidia GPU's, no? | | | | Looks like this post is going to attract flaming, because someone is in denial. Nvidia messed up. Period. | | | | OMG....Always the Users fault. Never Nvidia's. Nvidia never had driver problems, only AMD/ATI does. Squall how do you live with yourself day in and day out?
Screw ups happen but my god man clean the shit out of your eyes. lol | | | | squall is a known NV-fan who's blind to facts - face it guys.
It has been known over and over again in many different threads,
where he blindly mocks up AMD/ATi and defends Nvidia. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by darthcyclonis OMG....Always the Users fault. Never Nvidia's. Nvidia never had driver problems, only AMD/ATI does. Squall how do you live with yourself day in and day out?
Screw ups happen but my god man clean the shit out of your eyes. lol | This, Squall, pay attention and stop acting like you are 5...
If you have bought a car(which I doubt), I bet you also think the manufacturer of said car is the best in the world, and all other cars in a similar bracket are rubbish....
It is the mental viewpoint of a moron. Now either you are a moron, or you do a good potrayal of one.
Please stop, or at least add some pretence of humility and knowledge and willingness to open your eyes to a changing world. 'The product you invested in, doesn't have to be the best, nor stay the best.
I 100% believe atm, that AMD/ATi offer the better consumer card, and particularly on the front of bang per buck. Now a few years ago, Nvidia did imo. But no longer. Now I bet that hurts that someone thinks the product you invested in, isn't the best option for most. Boo hoo, get over it. | | | | None of this would happen with proper private/public beta testing. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration None of this would happen with proper private/public beta testing. | I do Q&A for my company and you are absolutley right. A lot of bugs are found by the end user. Testers and Programmers get a mind set and don't have the "what if" mentality. I usually ask the programmers to change something and they reply "they should not be doing that" but the fact is they are so fix it. lol | | | | Everybody phucks up. We always knew squall wouldn't change, and that's unfortunate for him. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration That's ironic. This happens just a few weeks after you and Nvidia mocked AMD for the GSOD. | Hahaha! just love the irony he always gets into haha.
Anyway, didnt nVidia drivers screw not long ago the overclocking? this is the second, but somehow i am not having issues with the drivers, it actually boosted FPS in many games, i am using EVGA Precision with the fan set to Max, maybe its that.
Got to love nVidia Gpu´s, they are good! but you got to hate nVidia as a company since they are morons who intentionally cripple hardware you paid for, ATi gpu´s are good too, maybe not as good as nVidia, but they are always way cheaper and the company is not that bad either.
Both companies with their respective products has flaws, but nVidia has become corrupted with pride and a big mouth. |
Last edited by DarkLobo; March 6th, 2010 at 05:06 PM..
| Quote | | | | | corruption or not nvidia makes good Gpu's ( and we all are aware that the Ge force Line is Crippled by software or we would have Teslas and quadro's at our home desktops!)
Intel also internaly locks the multiplier on common desktop cpu's.. or i could have a 4.0Ghz cpu with no problem!!!
the extreme versions are overpriced... but they are good.. and they are greedy bastards also!
each product has its own performance and price!
and if there is QUALITY.. then count my money in.. | | | | After testing, this only occurs with an upgrade install.
Fresh install or Quote:
1. Open regedit
2. Search and delete all instances of RmThermalProviderInfo and RmThermalProviderNum
3. Reboot. This causes the driver to redetect the thermal info.
| The Auto setting works.
However, system tools Device Rules do not work on 196.75.
Edit:
Device rules works.... as long as the profile with the rules is set as the boot profile, which for some reason isn't writing the osbootpf.nsu file by default. |
Last edited by squall_leonhart; March 8th, 2010 at 06:17 AM..
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Originally Posted by ObliVioN_ ( and we all are aware that the Ge force Line is Crippled by software or we would have Teslas and quadro's at our home desktops!) | lol I wasn't aware of this. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mkey lol I wasn't aware of this. | no it is something most of us common users understand!
i dont need a quadro at home or a tesla,,,, i would not use 40% of its performance!
to much in my opinion for a common desktop application like gaming!
besides the Ge force brand is dedicated for gaming.. unlike it's professional platform sibling's!
each brand has a specific job!
so each brand has specific drivers... and im glad nvida does indeed make good drivers! | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ObliVioN_ no it is something most of us common users understand! | Riiiiiiiight, because you have a software crippled fermi you're a common user? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mkey Riiiiiiiight, because you have a software crippled fermi you're a common user? | dude seriously.. are you even trying to understand what im trying to tell you??
when i say common i mean NON professional applications!!
GeForce is mostly for gaming!!
teslas and quadros are for professional use that don't include much gaming in it!!
you're not gonna usa a nascar car race in city day to day traffic are you?? | |
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