|  | | Patch Re-Enables PhysX When ATI Card is Present | 
As you may or may not know, Windows 7 allows two display drivers to be used at once - like in Windows XP. Therefore, it is possible to use an Nvidia card for PhysX and ATI card for graphics rendering. Sadly, since the release of 186 graphics drivers, Nvidia has decided to block this feature anytime a Non-Nvidia GPU is present in the system (Even IGPs). In addition, for some incomprehensible reasons, the latest version of PhysX System Software also prevents PPU cards (such as BFG PPU) from working if a Non-Nvidia GPU is present. The following is Nvidia's explanation behind their actions:
"Physx is an open software standard any company can freely develop hardware or software that supports it. Nvidia supports GPU accelerated Physx on NVIDIA GPUs while using NVIDIA GPUs for graphics. NVIDIA performs extensive Engineering, Development, and QA work that makes Physx a great experience for customers. For a variety of reasons - some development expense some quality assurance and some business reasons NVIDIA will not support GPU accelerated Physx with NVIDIA GPUs while GPU rendering is happening on non- NVIDIA GPUs. I'm sorry for any inconvenience caused but I hope you can understand."
As expected, this move by Nvidia received a lot of criticism from both consumers and even Nvidia's competitors. Luckily, a forum member by the name of GenL has released an experimental beta patch which intercepts disable-PhysX-if-Radeon-is-present-code. So far, according to user comments the patch delivers successful results. At this stage, the patch only works for PhysX GPU rendering and not PPU rendering. However, the developer claims that work is still in progress.
In response to these latest events, AMD has announced a joint open physics initiative with Pixelux Entertainment. “Proprietary physics solutions divide consumers and ISVs, while stifling true innovation; our competitors even develop code that they themselves admit will not work on hardware other than theirs,” said Eric Demers, chief technology officer for graphics at AMD. “By working with Pixelux and others to enable open support of physics on OpenCL and DirectX 11 capable devices we are taking the exact opposite approach.”
Nvidia was given the opportunity to comment on this article and explain its actions - but it refused. Apparently, Nvidia doesn’t care what you or anyone else thinks of them.
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Originally Posted by PPU Door Stop  I can confirm that the Ageia PPU has been disabled even when you have an nVidia stand alone card. You have to install the very old 8.09 drivers to get it to work.
Batman etc don't work with older drivers.
It's not just ATi cards it doesn't work with... they have royally shot themselves in the foot.
Fuck you nVidia. I have just put 2x 5870s on pre-order. | thats not what this implies
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But it helps if you Read all the information pertaining to the driver Quote: | Runtime upgrade ONLY for AGEIA PhysX processors users. (New AGEIA PhysX processors installations should install older PhysX system software such as version 8.09.04 – prior to installing this update). Note – AGEIA PPU acceleration support for 2.8.1 SDK or earlier, and Windows Vista and Windows XP only.
| | | | | anyways .. who need physx .. we still got havok | | | | First, awesome job on the patch!!!
So Squall, do I understand this right?
You think because Nvidia paid off the developer of Batman and the opportunity was there for ATI to pay off the developer, that we should blame ATI for NOT paying off the developer like Nvidia did? That way ATI could have AA too?
I suppose you think ATI should pay off Nvidia to activate Physx on our Nvidia hardware as well, just because there is an ATI card in the system? What about Creative cards? Maybe Intel, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte should be paying Nvidia too because Nvidia cards are installed in non-Nvidia motherboards with non-Nvidia chipsets?
See how ridiculous this is? (Actually I doubt you do being a fanboy and all, but I tried.)
You're an amazing evangelist Squall. Nvidia PR should hire you. Remember...replace everyone's facts with your own and you'll do just fine.
James | | | | Quote: |
You think because Nvidia paid off the developer of Batman and the opportunity was there for ATI to pay off the developer, that we should blame ATI for NOT paying off the developer like Nvidia did? That way ATI could have AA too?
| Prove that nvidia paid the developers.
The onus is on you to do so, not for nvidia to prove they didn't. Quote: |
suppose you think ATI should pay off Nvidia to activate Physx on our Nvidia hardware as well, just because there is an ATI card in the system? What about Creative cards? Maybe Intel, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte should be paying Nvidia too because Nvidia cards are installed in non-Nvidia motherboards with non-Nvidia chipsets?
| I don't think ATI gamers deserve PhysX period, whether they own a dedicated gfx card for it or not. ATI has sat on its laurels this entire time decrying the need for dedicated physics, so blame them for your missing out.
Nvidia never stated they would allow nvidia PhysX with an ati chip as the main card. Quote:
See how ridiculous this is? (Actually I doubt you do being a fanboy and all, but I tried.)
You're an amazing evangelist Squall. Nvidia PR should hire you. Remember...replace everyone's facts with your own and you'll do just fine.
James
| The only fanboys in this entire incident are the ATI buttfags who don't have a clue about the way business, (and TWIMTBP) works. They are going off hearsay and baseless bullshit that ATI has conjured up in order to back their arguments up.
ATI is just sour because games are sticking to Dx10 rather then moving up to Dx10.1, and this just proves how much the industry really gives a shit about the latest and greatest of API's. | | | | Regarding my PPU not working..
Response (MZ) 10/08/2009 04:50 PM
Hi Chris,
I apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. However, NVIDIA developers is aware of this issue and we are working on it.
Regards,
Matiuj | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart ATI is just sour because games are sticking to Dx10 rather then moving up to Dx10.1 | You can't possibly be serious. | | | | Infact, im very serious.
since 90% of systems maintain Dx10 or lowever level hardware, there's just no profit in taking the extra time to implement effects that won't get seen. | | | | Thats not to fail to mention that developers are so incredibly lazy, (or rushed by publishers) that they let buggy has heck releases onto the market which even with a capable system, probably couldn't render what are really last gen gfx. | | | | No, I was wondering about the part of "sticking to DX10". How many games are there that use DX10 so that you could effectively say it's an industry standard? | | | | Well thats kind of the point isn't it, its not a standard, nor is it the feature set it was supposed to be.
Dx11 is what Dx10 was meant to be, Microsoft was just too forgiving and ready to bend over rather then Tell nvidia then and there to bring their tech up to scratch.
Now since 7/10 users have a Dx10 GFX card in their machine, there is no real goals to migrate to Dx11 anytime soon. And contrary to popular opinion, its not the GFX hardware scene that drives gaming, rather its the gaming scene that drives hardware adoption.
I buy a video card to play the games i have. not to play the games that are going to come out. Anyone set on future proofing their system is just deluding themselves to think it is possible.
Its why i always stay away from nvidia's first rev next gen cards (since the FX series).
In all honesty though, the worst thing nvidia ever did was get into this mid range, high range and value range line up bullshit. It was far simpler when you just had the 4200(4800se), 4400 and 4600 for value, mid and high range, and for the office set you could pick up a cheap as chips MX series card. | | | | Wow, pretty strong response considering that the process still requires a relatively costly nvidia card to run. I would think Nvidia would want people to buy thier cards for PhysX even if they aren't going to buy one for graphics. I assume they do this to actually avoid hardware issues and haveing to coordinate driver updates with ATI like they said, and not to prevent people from buying thier cards just for physx. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart Prove that nvidia paid the developers.
The onus is on you to do so, not for nvidia to prove they didn't. | Actually, I don't have to prove it. The developer and Nvidia both said that Nvidia did a significant amount amount of engineering work on the graphics code. This likely saved the developer thousands of dollars of development work. Money likely didn't change hands, but it's a payoff all the same. Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart I don't think ATI gamers deserve PhysX period, whether they own a dedicated gfx card for it or not. ATI has sat on its laurels this entire time decrying the need for dedicated physics, so blame them for your missing out.
Nvidia never stated they would allow nvidia PhysX with an ati chip as the main card. | So what about all the people who bought Asus and BFG PPU's that can no longer use them then? By the way that seems to be a pretty irrational hatred of ATI and their customers. Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart The only fanboys in this entire incident are the ATI buttfags who don't have a clue about the way business, (and TWIMTBP) works. They are going off hearsay and baseless bullshit that ATI has conjured up in order to back their arguments up.
ATI is just sour because games are sticking to Dx10 rather then moving up to Dx10.1, and this just proves how much the industry really gives a shit about the latest and greatest of API's. | Name calling does little to prove your point and actually makes you look like you don't have a decent argument even when you do. It's the fallback position of children and I don't think you need to do it, you're smarter than that.
I freely admit I'm an Nvidia Fanboy (my current card is a 9800gtx), but you're making us look bad defending the indefensible. I own my own business, so I'm pretty sure I know how business works and I'm pretty sure I understand how the TWIMTBP program is working too. I base my knowledge of it mostly on what Nvidia itself has said about the program. In my opinion it stinks. There is far too much of an old boys backroom deal feel to it. 'We'll do a bunch of engineering work for you if you display our logo on game startup and make life difficult for our competitors. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.'
Support should be just that, support. If a developer doesn't understand how something works or needs help tracking down a bug, you help them. You shouldn't be writing whole sections of code for them. That starts to smell just a little and allows your engineers to insert code that hurts your competitors.
Nvidia needs to clean up its act or its going to kill all goodwill within the community except for those it's paid off or us fanboys, and I'm not sure how long I'll be a fanboy myself if this continues.
James | | | | I personally find this move highly aggrovating; I own a BGF-brand PPU and not one but two Ati Radeon HD4870's in crossfire.
I have to turn to OEM concerns, like Dell, for adequate drivers.
Though I am running a painfully out-dated Ageia PhysX suite, it runs.
and not an nvidia label in sight. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Deetex I personally find this move highly aggrovating; I own a BGF-brand PPU and not one but two Ati Radeon HD4870's in crossfire.
I have to turn to OEM concerns, like Dell, for adequate drivers.
Though I am running a painfully out-dated Ageia PhysX suite, it runs.
and not an nvidia label in sight. | Who wants a class action suit?  | | | | Well, I disagree. I believe that NVIDIA went too far on this one. It's just like when Amazon deleted 1984 out of everyone's kindles.
Just one guy sued and got over 150K. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart thats not what this implies
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But it helps if you Read all the information pertaining to the driver | Thats funny text
I tried over 5 times this trick but no helped. Just didnt work for me. Newest drivers which works on my ppu is PhysX 8.04.25
Explain all what i need get working newers physx drivers. I just cant get those working. Tried reinstall and installin on old drivers.. no... | | | | This is utter crap man I just tried to play need for speed shift on my system with an ati 4770 video card and its not getting playable performance! and its physyx that is messing it up for me! I have no physix card so it runs on my cpu! and nvidia is doing this so Ill need to buy an nvidia card. but upon reading all this Ive decided to stay with ati becuase nvidia is crap! now. All my other games though run fine on my system! Im am just mad though nvidia is crap now! ATI all the way | | | | When you think about it...I wonder if Nvidia even meant to block the PPU? I beginning to think they screwed up. | | | | If nvidia stockholders dont kick Mr. Whoopass Jen-Hsun Huang out of some even closed window they will go down like 3dfx soon.
Since years they block progress like intel blocked amd.
High time to bill nvidia accordingly (1 billion euro fine for intel for trying to destroy amd.)
Nvidia starting years ago by blocking sli on intel boards per driver.
No wonder intel did not give nvidia license for newer intel chipsets, netbook market only will not help nvidia to survive.
This all done on the back of paying customers, but after geforce 3, 5900, 8800gtx i changed to ati 4870x2, and until today except af which is better on nvidia i dont regret going ati. | | | | It would be better if Nvidia were less of a strong force in the market place.....if Ati's comparative strength increases that will be a good thing and stop Nvidia's bullying ways....also if intel manage to enter the market place with a competetive discrete gpu product that will again hopefully lead to a more fair market where Nvidia isn't leading the developers around by the nose. | | | | AMD are just as bullying, only they do it to their OEM's instead. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by darthcyclonis When you think about it...I wonder if Nvidia even meant to block the PPU? I beginning to think they screwed up. | From Nvidia:
As I have informed you earlier that its a known issue and we are working on this.
Regards,
Matiuj
NVIDIA Customer Care.
He's won't say WHAT the issue is... just that they're aware of it.
But WE all know already... retard | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sledge From Nvidia:
As I have informed you earlier that its a known issue and we are working on this.
Regards,
Matiuj
NVIDIA Customer Care.
He's won't say WHAT the issue is... just that they're aware of it.
But WE all know already... retard | When you refer to people like you are being a retard. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart its not fanboyism when its true.
Fact: AMD have failed to maintain an active developer network.
Fact: AMD have failed to address critical driver faults.
Fact: AMD are the ones that refused PhysX.
Fact: All the idiots are still thinking OpenCL can be better then CUDA, even though nvidia's propietary pushing of the CUDA arch allows for faster development and improvement. CUDA has C++ now ffs, OpenCL doesn't.
FACT
ATI, Good hardware, bad support, drivers that have crippling flaws in the Dx and Ogl texture standards, has Execs that like to bitch when they themselves drop the ball. (Infact, it took ATI to get to 9.9 to fix Flickering in MCM2 on Win7.... and thats not even an accelerated section of the game just the menu)
Nvidia, Good hardware, good support, texture formats are supported to the letter, Driver bugs are usually rare, and mostly isolated to out of spec cards (nvidia maintains a set of timings in the drivers which can cause issues with pre o/c boards), Execs only bitch when they are bitched at. older games have issues with 16bpp dithering, but nothing that hooking the texture format and forcing 32bpp can't fix.
Both vendors have 8bit palette issues in Win7 with Ddraw games, but with nvidia chips it can be worked around with compatibility settings most often, while ATI requires the end tasking of explorer.exe.
ATI: Minimal control over game quality.
Nvidia: Profile per game allowing you to adjust quality and even allowing you to enable AA on games which don't typically support AA otherwise due to nonstandard rendering techniques or DFR.
ATI: making fanboys jiz their pants by showing off a 6 screen tech that only people as rich as bill gates can actually manage to use.
Nvidia: Pissing off noobs by creating a mock up of Fermi and only telling people after the conference was over.
ATI: Microsofts Whores.
Nvidia: Maintains Innovation, and actually drives the Graphic Industry.
Many people don't seem to realise that without nvidia and opengl, many of today's techniques would not have been adopted into DirectX, S3TC for instance.... known as DXTC in DirectX |
1)um how do you think dx10.1 games came out?or are you just basing it off the nvidia logo you see on some games.
2)had ati cards for 2 years yet to see a driver fault that breaks my games,much less a 'critical' one.And I am willing to bet if I see one it's gonna be a TWIMTPB title.
3)wow just wow.it's something to babble about in interviews and something else to be sincere about really doing something.It's like saying nvidia refused dx10.1 or tessellation support that ati offered them.
opencl will be better than CUDA,unless of course you are working on a nvidia gpu.AMD's implementation supports C++,not sure what big difference it makes.
The fact that you think eyefinity is superbly expensive while 3D vision is a poor man's entertainment, sticking to dx standards is prostitution and if nvidia add something to the DX specs they are to be commended while ati was whoring around with tessellation and dx10.1.So much for graphical advancement.How much more hypocritical can you get?
And ati driver profiles have been present for quite too long, oh wait you don't own an ATI card, how would you know? And if you do, well its not that hard. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by technogiant It would be better if Nvidia were less of a strong force in the market place.....if Ati's comparative strength increases that will be a good thing and stop Nvidia's bullying ways....also if intel manage to enter the market place with a competetive discrete gpu product that will again hopefully lead to a more fair market where Nvidia isn't leading the developers around by the nose. | You mean Larrabe? Yeah, right after Duke Nukem Forever. | | | | Duke Nukem Forever is still in development :P | | | | Quote: |
1)um how do you think dx10.1 games came out?or are you just basing it off the nvidia logo you see on some games.
| Theres no such thing as a pure Dx10 game, let alone 10.1, its all just Dx9 with some tacked on SSAO effects. Quote: |
2)had ati cards for 2 years yet to see a driver fault that breaks my games,much less a 'critical' one.And I am willing to bet if I see one it's gonna be a TWIMTPB title.
| Black and white 2 and RCT3 are ATI titles. Quote: |
opencl will be better than CUDA,unless of course you are working on a nvidia gpu.AMD's implementation supports C++,not sure what big difference it makes.
| Sorry, but no it won't.
I used to be a major proponent for OpenGL and the Khronos Open Standard program, however time after time i've been let down by what are actually Failed Open Source Democrazy. OpenCL is destined to fail. Quote: |
The fact that you think eyefinity is superbly expensive while 3D vision is a poor man's entertainment, sticking to dx standards is prostitution and if nvidia add something to the DX specs they are to be commended while ati was whoring around with tessellation and dx10.1.So much for graphical advancement.How much more hypocritical can you get?
| People have lost the true meaning, and real reason that games exist, with all these 3d glasses and massive screen spanning techniques. I'm plenty happy to have my Chat apps on one screen and Game on another. Quote: |
And ati driver profiles have been present for quite too long, oh wait you don't own an ATI card, how would you know? And if you do, well its not that hard.
| I work with Systems alot, and its only ever the ATI users that have the real troublesome issues with the games they play. I've also got a brother who has a laptop with a 3200, but the performance of that is nothing to write home about. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart Duke Nukem Forever is still in development :P | It's stuck in developer's hell and it's not coming out until the Second Coming. So is Larrabe, if you follow the news you know that much 
:P | | | | that explains the memo jesus sent around saying hes going to wait for the King......... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart that explains the memo jesus sent around saying hes going to wait for the King......... | That is the single most awesome comment in this thread.
Hail to the King, baby.  | | | | Quote: |
Thats funny, Nvidia has been the ones that have made the really major architecture enhancements and been the ones to take risks over the past 10 years to get where they are. Get your head out of your arse.
| what ? 8-9-200 series? yeah great awesome architecture enhancement ,
oh wait they don't have much of those Quote:
ATI: Minimal control over game quality.
Nvidia: Profile per game allowing you to adjust quality and even allowing you to enable AA on games which don't typically support AA otherwise due to nonstandard rendering techniques or DFR.
| ati has custom profiles you can make them , some people are just dumb not to see them
like yourself Quote: |
I work with Systems alot, and its only ever the ATI users that have the real troublesome issues with the games they play. I've also got a brother who has a laptop with a 3200, but the performance of that is nothing to write home about
| thats bullshit never had any issues that couldn't be fixed easily and i use ati since i bought a 9600 -> x600 -> x850 PE -> 1600 -> 2600-> 2x 3870 -> 4870-> 2x 4870x2 -> and next week a brand new 5870 
i bought my brother a PC guess what it came with a 8800 gts , and had TDR crashes all the time had to RMA it
your clearly an vidia fan boy who is so fucking blind , i know ati has its flaws but nvidia's are even worst
look at this awesome screen on their new dx 10.1 cards  | | | | I gotta tell, judging by that pic, Radeon has the better DX10.1. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mkey When you refer to people like you are being a retard. | sorry, can you speak english rather than gobblygook? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio_pt what ? 8-9-200 series? yeah great awesome architecture enhancement , | You must admit that the 8-series was quite an enhancement. And they have been the driving force behind GPGPU up till recently.
Of course squall_leonhart is incorrect when he claims that ATI haven't taken any risks or made any architecture enhancement(tesselation and unified shaders comes to mind), but this is no reason to lessen NVidias technical achievements. Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio_pt your clearly an vidia fan boy who is so fucking blind , i know ati has its flaws but nvidia's are even worst | Where does all this ATI vs NVidia bias come from? Why care so much about a company, when you can be sure that the company does not care about you. Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio_pt look at this awesome screen on their new dx 10.1 cards | Looks like Screen space ambient occlusion gone wrong. I wouldn't be so fast and blame it all on NVidia though. It might (or not) be a driver problem but those are no uncommon on ATI either.. | | | | [QUOTE=squall_leonhart;83645]Theres no such thing as a pure Dx10 game, let alone 10.1, its all just Dx9 with some tacked on SSAO effects.
the point was about active ati devrel,I don't think dx10.1 tacking on and the subsequent performance enhancement was an nvidia initiative,and surprisingly the dx10.1 effects work on nvidia and are not vendor specific. Quote: |
Black and white 2 and RCT3 are ATI titles.
| I don't know what happened with those, but except BiA:HH which my friend had trouble on vista I didn't have any problems with game breaking drivers with my 3870 or 4850 on XP.Even the fragile fallout3 ran for like 15 hrs straight without a crash. Quote: |
People have lost the true meaning, and real reason that games exist, with all these 3d glasses and massive screen spanning techniques. I'm plenty happy to have my Chat apps on one screen and Game on another.
| Well it's like saying that people have lost the meaning why music exists since everyone simply seems to be rapping around.Things change and some people like a photorealistic game with okay gameplay over a cartoonish game with breakthrough gameplay.Infact people who like casual games will prefer a routine gameplay mechanic with some extra eye-candy than have to learn an entirely new one.Though I would prefer more novelty too over higher-res or stereoscopic gameplay but the market dictates these things and unless someone comes up with another groundbreaking idea we would have to do with recycled mediocrity. | | | | All this anger.....I'm betting that Nvidia is just restricting physx to its own cards at the moment as a lever to encourage people to buy their cards....they can only do this while there is no other gpu accelerated physics alternative.....as soon as opencl alternatives become available they will port physx to opencl and then just license its use.....its just a business tactic to try and stop people buying ATi's 5000 series while Nvidia are just dead in the water at the moment. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by technogiant All this anger.....I'm betting that Nvidia is just restricting physx to its own cards at the moment as a lever to encourage people to buy their cards....they can only do this while there is no other gpu accelerated physics alternative..... | That's not what they'r doing.. if ppl were running physx on Ati, then you can understand them stopping that, but they wern't
What Nvidia has done is totally different.. they're disabling NVIDIA physx in our PC's ONLY because we own an ATI card..nvidia physx WAS restricted to nvidia already... | | | | Yeah you're right...I see the difference in what you are saying....and as the owner of an Ageia PPU in an Ati system I'm annoyed too......but I'm sure that it is only a temporary thing....as soon as opencl physics is progressed then Physx will either die or be ported to opencl licensed and available to all. At the moment Nvidia are just trying to use everything they possibly can to try and gain some advantage as they have been left for dead by ATi's 5000 series. |
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Originally Posted by Sledge sorry, can you speak english rather than gobblygook? | Excellent comment. For someone with a below standard IQ, very well done, boy. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mkey Excellent comment. For someone with a below standard IQ, very well done, boy. | ooerr.. wow, how long did it take you to work out that comeback?
Considering YOU'RE the one who didn't make any sense.. | | | | mkey always makes sense...... well.. unless the reader of his/her posts is a total twit. | | | | I've been a long term user of nvidia hardware . I've bought 4 nvidia gpus this year alone . But they've made too many insults to me as a consumer in the way of restricting my freedom and blocking potential uses of my devices . I prefer the architecture of nvidia cards , but I no longer feel like I truly own the hardware (Knowing that nvidia's proprietary nature could disable said hardware as they see fit) . I'd much rather become the true owner of an gpu driven by open-source software which I can personally authorize . Only then would I feel that I am in control of my device . atm I don't care for physx or a hybrid system , but it's the principle of the matter . I wont give money to a company who doesn't serve my interests . | | | | then sticking with nvidia is your only option as ATI sucks with open source. | | | | right, thats why ati's 5xxx series rocks nvidia's lineup eh? nvidia's propriety crap was dead before it even hit the shelf, its nothing but marketing leverage | | | | READ FAIL.
ATI sucks with open source apps, os's and drivers. | | | | ive never had a problem, infact ive had more issues with nvidia cards then ive ever had with ati | | | | Thank you, for confirming the fact that your credibility is built on bullshit. | | | | lol your one to talk, the credibility of a 15 year old emo kid doesnt count for shit in my books | | | | haha true that, nvidia is being total retards about this, its like a baby who doesnt get what it wants so it throws a tantrum and doesnt share his toys....
way to set the bar NVIDIA
ATI all the way! | | | | Hi,
nVidia can disable their own cards for PhysX when there is an ATI card on their system, but they should not disable Ageia cards, because those were designed to work with both ATI and nVidia, it's not fair for the people that bought Ageia cards in the past, now nVidia has artificially limited those cards. | | | | Been a loyal member of Team Green for my last four builds.
No longer.
Just purchased two HD 5850s, my first ATI cards for seven years.
Screw you, Nvidia. | | | | I have a favorite football team, BUT I believe in the best team to win. i have a 1970 Pontiac Lemans, but my "68" Chevy doesn't seem to mind at all and runs just the same.
I do not care for crooked business ethics, I simply want what I purchased to function regardless of what else I may choose to purchase. I am a long time user of both Nvidia and Ati, neither one is without its flaws. But I've had enough of Nvidia's underhanded, lets be quiet and it'll all blow over if we sugarcoat it with our new next-gen graphics card, "We're doing BIG THINGS" the way it's meant to be played PR Redorick. You threw my money in my face, along with many others who in this day and age can't afford much more of that kind of abuse. Unless Nvidia grows a set and takes responsibility to correct the Physx PPU lack of unwarranted support, I will have bought my last Nvidia based card. Think about this Nvidia, I'm just one of the many people you've stepped on and I own three Nvidia cards in just two years...... times that by 500,000 per year for the last 3 and that's close to how many Physx PPU's you've stuck people with,"Abandoned". Now do the math when you calculate that number with the ever growing younger generation of future card buyers who's big brothers, mothers and Dad's you shafted. They will remember you.... my two children already do, not to mention their very dissappointed Father. | | | | I think i get this right but correct me if i'm wrong, please.
If i have an old 8800GT which i paid NVIDIA for, i can use it as a dedicated PhysX card:
1) ...completely fine if i now buy a new NVIDIA card as my primary GPU.
2) ...not at all if i make an informed choice and choose their rival's card as my primary GPU.
Is that incorrect?
If so, does that decision by NVIDIA have any practical justification other than making future NVIDIA purchases more liekly?
Blacklisting is bad - anyone disgree? Any Nvidia customer think this isn't blacklisting?
I know it's hard, but please can someone respond without fanboism? | | | | So, I was undecided whether to go with ATi or Nvidia for my next yearly rig, but I guess that settles that.
Twin HD 5870s it is. | | | | "NVIDIA will not support GPU accelerated Physx with NVIDIA GPUs while GPU rendering is happening on non- NVIDIA GPUs. I'm sorry for any inconvenience caused but I hope you can understand"
We really understand, but not in the way NVIDIA want us to.
sry for english | | | | NVidia seem to forget that altough I'm using an ATI card that I actually bought my NVidia card too, so they've had their money. I really hope that someone sues them. | | | | What is obvious to me is that Fermi can't compete with Evergreen. With Nvidia's GPUs being inferior for the forseeable future NV will play the only card they have...hardware accelerated physics. NV's trying to play a heavy hand based on it's PPU only makes Fermi's inferiority obvious. Personally I see this as a failure of Microsoft: with Directcompute a Physix platform within DX11 would have naturally made sense...MSFT was obviously unwilling to step on Nvidia's toes. Consumers owning NV hardware now in a bad position will likely rebel against NVIDIA and seal it's fate in the GPU market. Nvidia execs will realize their mistake but it takes a lot more time than NVIDIA will have to regain the trust of consumers. Meanwhile ATI will formualte an acceptable PPU routine to run on existing ATI GPUs, and unification of GPGPU processing via the directompute API will render CUDA irrelavant regardless of how good it actually is. Writing is on the wall for Nvidia. Past 3 GPUs I've purchased were Nvidia (FX5200,7600GS,GTX260) with this PPU policy they've taken you'd have to put a gun to my head to get me to buy another. Hello ATI. | | | | | | I know this is slightly off topic but does anyone think that it will be possible in the future to use an auxilliary card to run Opencl tasks alongside the main graphics card...a bit like you can run an auxillary Physx card alongside your main graphics set up?
Reason I ask is that I'm considering getting a fairly low powered card...ati 5770 just get to dx11 capability for now and then using it in that manner when I upgrade to a more powerful card later on. | | | | the opencl device does not have to be the main card, but support for device selection is up to the person writing the opencl based app.
not that i care in the slightest, because opencl is as dead in the water as opengl.
bring on directcompute. | | | | Thanks for that....but OpenCl dead in the water?  It's only just been released.....do you say that because no one will be "championing" it's development where as dx compute will have microsoft behind it? | | | | well theres that,
and because the same group that killed opengl, is the governing council over opencl | | | | This just gets more and more confusing...I'm trying to sort all this out in my mind as I'll be upgrading in the near future....I was thinking that gpu compute capability was going to be an important consideration...but tbh it's starting to seem that it will be a way off before things are sorted out.
Also the fact that DX11 in game improvements are only minimal at the moment and tbh are likely to remain that way until the consoles move to DX11 makes we wonder if it is even worth upgrading at all.....I've got win 7 and just wanted to make use of its new features....might just keep my money in my pocket. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy The Fish Been a loyal member of Team Green for my last four builds.
No longer.
Just purchased two HD 5850s, my first ATI cards for seven years.
Screw you, Nvidia. |
should have bought one 5890 or 70. buying 2 mid range vid cards instead of 1 good one isnt smart | | | | you still need an nvidia card installed to use this so.... either way it is still promoting nvidia products lol. | | | | Gentlemen... I'm a burnt-out gamer who is now in security, I was interested in getting back and was looking at the latest and greatest from the industry. I can tell you from an outsider's perspective that what GenL is doing is awesome... forget about computers, science itself is driven forward by ppl like GenL. However it is also true that for technology to move forward a business model should be there and morality does not dictate business. If history teaches us anything, that is innovation does not always reach the masses if the middle-man's interests are not fulfilled. If you remember what happened to 3dFx, nVidia did something great for the graphics industry then by absorbing the innovations made by a dyeing company and bringing to the masses. Yet this only happened cause there was a business model for nVidia. This is positive growth in technology. However shots are not called by the scientists in an organisation its called by the businessmen, this means that some moves also effect negative growth on technology like denying a good technology like PhysiX to the masses. This is where the industry as a whole should intervene. Defending a vendor (be it ATI or nVidia) is never good for the consumer. Healthy competition means good products at lower costs to the consumer by all vendors. Let these two fellas work for there money. What nVidia's doing is sad, but the lack of action from ATI is worse.
I believe ATI should up it's game and nVidia should stop being a bitch! | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy The Fish View Post
Been a loyal member of Team Green for my last four builds.
No longer.
Just purchased two HD 5850s, my first ATI cards for seven years.
Screw you, Nvidia.
should have bought one 5890 or 70. buying 2 mid range vid cards instead of 1 good one isnt smart
Sorry; should've quantified that. I bought two Sapphires as I built two seperate rigs for my nephews. The 5850s are great cards, too. I doubt if you need anything else on a 22" or under screen... | |
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