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Why AMD Shouldn’t Drop 9500-X1950 Driver Support
Old 6 March 2009, 05:34   #1
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If you haven’t heard the news yet, AMD is planning to drop driver support for all DirectX 9 Radeon hardware (9500 up to X1950) in next month’s Catalyst release, according to Phoronix’s news report. However, I don’t think it’s a good move! I think it’s too early for such massive action, besides we all know that even Nvidia is still providing driver support for its GeForce 6 and 7 series. I went to Valve’s hardware survey page to check their results - as you can see below.


The conclusion from Valve’s hardware survey is clear as a sun and sharp as a knife! Almost %50 of the gamers are still using DirectX 9 hardware – as I suspected. If we include laptops and non-Steam users, I’m sure we have even more users than 50%. So AMD in other words, you’re about to send 50% of your users to the dogs. Maybe you should reconsider dropping driver support, or at least delay it until Microsoft provides Windows 7.

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Old 6 March 2009, 05:42   #2
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I disagree.
It's actually good since there is nothing there can be done for the 9xxx-x19xx series.
The drivers are more than matured. I own myself an old x1950XTX and nothing has changed for me from last few driver-to-driver updates (just did them because I also updated them on my main rig).
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I'm with PrEzi on this one, too.

First of all, AMD is not dropping support. They are simply not going to be doing MONTHLY updates for these old cards. Rather, they will include updates on a quarterly basis.

I, too, still have an X1950 in the other PC I own. There's not much left...if anything...to be done to improve after all this time. Let AMD concentrate on improving the newer products.
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Old 6 March 2009, 08:31   #4
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actualy that old hardware isnt able to work fine with latest games, and for the games it works fine now, since it already works fine, there is no need to try to improve more the drivers

actualy doing such a move could bring them to do better improvement on dx10 hardware and so make the actualy cards able to work fine with the latest games
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Mixed feelings on this one, I suppose as the 50% suggests, there are positives and negatives.

It comes down to if 9.3 are the last drivers fully supporting dx9 cards, how well will those drivers fair for those users in Vista/Win7, in games in the upcomming year. If they fair well with little side-effects, and are reliable, then I have no problem at all with them moving their focus to more current cards. But if they are falling over with each new game, unreliable with Windows 7, then they have to back peddle and give updates to the DX9 users, even if it is a seperate driver build for dx9 cards vs dx10 cards.

But I would love to hear about what they think the benefits will actually be, will the DX10 cards run substantially faster without the baggage of supporting older cards?, will the DX10 cards, have broader and faster support for all the latest games with less bugs of any type. What exactly will the benefit to the user be? or is it just a cost cutting on their part due to the current financial climate, with 0 benefits to the end users apart from their financial security.
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it's all about resources - think for example bug ironishing and testing.
They need to run 30% more test rigs with outdated hardware to check if it's working.
They need a larger staff for bug testing etc. etc.
Think big - like a company's manager.

And if they do not want to cut the stuff out they could be moved to help the others with later hardware and/or perf optimizations.
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I have a lot of friends with X1000 cards. It's working fine even on new games and low resolutions without AA. As you know, most of the people aren't upgrading on monthly basis like us. All these game-related hotfixes also effect old products as well. Don't forget that most of the games today are still based on the DirectX9 API.

If 9500-X1950 owners received poor driver treatment in the last months, it doesn't make it right to drop it entirely. There are still open issues on DirectX 9 hardware and dropping its support won't help. %50 is a large user base and AMD should reconsider it again! support is important to keep customers on your side.
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This whole situation shows weakness of high performance graphic cards: their performance is too big and they're enough for long years, but these gpus really fast become outdated becouse of no support for new technologies like e.g. later versions of directx.

That's why i will always buy mid-end gpus.
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give me a break rege, its a good thing that their dropping it, its better that they concentrate on new hardware

the new drivers are crap with older cards anyways so why bother? the best drivers for these cards are in the low 8.x, their not gonna get any better then thoes and anyone that activly updates their old gpu is wasting their time and loosing performence, these cards have been taken up to pretty well their peak and now its time that they focus on something else

the cards cannot hack it with new games and the old games that do run well on them arent going to run any better with newer drivers, infact they iwll probably run worse, why is anyone still trying to update these?

wish people would stop crying about this, its a good move, i own one of these cards and I fully support it and look forward to improved support for the newer cards once i get one, and anyone still trying to update the drivers for their old cards need to wake up

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+1 blindartist.
Besides - they aren't dropping the support completely - they will only cut it (not release a driver each month but on quarterly basis).
If by doing this they can improve the quality of support & drivers for the newer generation of cards then I fully support this decision.
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