|  | | Hackers attack Large Hadron Collider | 
The scientists behind the £4.4bn atom smasher had already received threatening emails and been besieged by telephone calls from worried members of the public concerned by speculation that the machine could trigger a black hole to swallow the earth, or earthquakes and tsunamis, despite endless reassurances to the contrary from the likes of Prof Stephen Hawking.
Now it has emerged that, as the first particles were circulating in the machine near Geneva, a Greek group had hacked into the facility and displayed a page with the headline "GST: Greek Security Team."The people responsible signed off: "We are 2600 - dont mess with us. (sic)"
The website - cmsmon.cern.ch - can no longer be accessed by the public as a result of the attack. Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were "one step away" from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12,500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high.
You can read the entire article at Telegraph.co.uk. | | 40 Comments | | | | | | | Those assholes will screw-up cerns computers and that will cause the black hole! | | | | They are idiots for having a control system of that magnitude, and having it on a WAN.....dumbest thing i ever heard of.... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration  |
Heheheh and then welcome to Another World 
About the break in , well , Idiots . |
Last edited by nCaine; September 14th, 2008 at 08:22 PM..
| Quote | | | | | honestly i think these scientists are messing with things they cannot control or comprehand, is this discovery really worth risikng the entire planet and all life on it over? i dont think so, i for one would rather they shut it down. | | | | A quote from Young Guns "I'll make you famous" that's what the hackers think. I's simple, they wanna be famous or celebrity. Or they just watch too many sci-fi. And I think I trust Prof. Hawking more. Besides, to create a black hole you need unimaginable amount of energy.
Be another geek for once, not just computer geek by watching NGC or Disco or read a science book. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by blindartist honestly i think these scientists are messing with things they cannot control or comprehand, is this discovery really worth risikng the entire planet and all life on it over? i dont think so, i for one would rather they shut it down. |
Are You serious with this ????? Do You even know some thing what they will do ther ???
Ther no way Its gonna create black hole , not it the way you think about it.
Drop the SF shit for movies . Black holes`s are not like domino.
I know that Humans alway feered what they dont understand.
OK , i explayng it to You.
First what miniscule Black Hole are ?? Theoretically, a black hole can be artificially created by squeezing as much material as possible into the smallest space possible. This has to be feasible in the LHC.
"However I think the the probability that the LHC has enough energy to produce little black holes is less than 1 per cent - so I’m not holding my breath. " Stephen Hawking
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a 27-kilometre long, cylindrical tunnel.
Inside the tunnel, two beams of protons zoom around in opposite directions and accelerate until they almost reach the speed of light: as if they are in an out-of-control merry-go-round. Huge magnets, 1600 in all, steer the beams - literally - so that they bend. Five detectors in the underground complex will register every collision and the particles created. This is all done at a temperature close to absolute zero: -271 degrees Celsius. So the if they succed in creating one , the mini black hole is so small that it will not even be able to swallow an atom. The black hole will not be able to grow and will disintegrate. Never mind develop into a gravity field big enough to make the planet disappear into thin air. |
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| Quote | | | | | Bravo on that nCaine. One of the greatest scientific experiments of all time is being conducted. Petabytes of hard scientific data will be annually produced and require a massive effort to store and analyze. It's brains that need to be switched on rather than switching off particle accelerators. | | | | lol ok and you actually know what your talking about? i dont think so, fact is no one really knows, you can hypothesise all you want but it remains that no one really knows just whats going to happen, none of thoes scientists know, no one does because no one has ev er done it before, no one has ever actually studied a black hole before, all the information right now is just hypothesis
simpy, no one can know for sure what is going to happen, and i dont think its worth the risk. | | | | Thanks for that artist. If all humans had that mindset we wouldn't even be living in caves. It doesn't take a PHD in frickin physics to understand why and how this experiment is being conducted. Why on earth would you experiment if you knew the answer of course it's unknown for f**ks sake! |
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| Quote | | | | | A subatomic venture “Imagination is more important than knowledge.”
"These were the words of the famous physicist Albert Einstein, who went on to say that "Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
If you venture into the subatomic world in an attempt to unveil its inner workings, possession of all the knowledge in the world is not enough. Instead, invite your imagination to serve as a guide, because many rules as we know them no longer apply. Just like the story of Alice In Wonderland, this new world may look familiar but it is not fully comprehensible. Scales shift and matter transforms. Transitory twins appear and extra dimensions hide.
Nature has the ability to throw us the biggest surprises, so expect dramatic twists and unexpected turns; many before you have dreamed up mind–blowing theories and crazy concepts. Some of these have prevailed against the tests of time and armies of knowledgeable critics – thus far.
Someone, sometime, somewhere, may succeed in completing these unfinished mysteries, or even rewrite the chapters entirely. The book is by no means finished." http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/...cience-en.html | | | | thats a complete load of shit unix, none of the humen advancements to date have involved the posible iradication of the earth and all life on it, advance technology all you want but dont go too far and try to play god, this thing could kill us all and NO ONE can say with any degree of certaintly if it will or not, the problem with most scientists is that they dont care, they just want the discovery but dont consider the consiquence | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by blindartist t none of the humen advancements to date have involved the posible iradication of the earth and all life on it, | That is wrong... and what about nukes? Originally conceived by one of Einstein's principles, and switched to destruction by Wonderful America... how nice. One way or another, every single technological advance made by humans can by turned around for destruction purposes. EVERY SINGLE ONE. | | | | it is not wrong, the development of the first nuke didnt directly threaten the planet, the mass production of them did, and their still a shitty idea that humanity will regret greatly some day | | | | blindartist, this project (LHC) was being developed for YEARS, just now when they are going to use it you start caring about whats going to happen? It took them like 10 years to think if building that was even worth and then when they are about to prove theories people watch this on the news and say: Hey that thing may blow all us up! Thats bs, real life aint half-life, they know what they are doing since they dedicated a part of their life to come up with this. And about the hacker "attack", that wasnt even an attack they were just showing people that LHC isnt secure enough otherwise we wouldnt even know they tryed to hack into the LHC. | | | | lol what do you know of real life? first off, ive never heard of this thing befoe it was publicized a few days ago. secondly, do you have any comprehencsion of what htis thing could potentially do? do you know anything about the fabric matter, space and time? This thing COULD be the end of the world, there is no way to know for sure simply because no one has ever studied something at this scale and no matter how much you hypothesize you will never really know whats going to happen.
Fact remains, only a fool would be comfterable with them playing god and trying to recreate the big bang in a smaller scale, the same force that created the universe could just as easily destroy this planet even at a exponetially smaller scale | | | | Lol, I'll be laughing about this for years. | | | | or maybe only a couple months depending on how december goes. | | | | Now I'm actually beginning to think a black hole wouldn't be so bad. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixlord Now I'm actually beginning to think a black hole wouldn't be so bad. | Yup. | | | | lol, and i thought i was blind | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by blindartist lol, and i thought i was blind |
Blindartist , despide i like You i must say , in this thread you come out look stupid.
I explayn it to You even simplier .
You write : " This thing COULD be the end of the world, there is no way to know for sure simply because no one has ever studied something at this scale and no matter how much you hypothesize you will never really know whats going to happen."
Do you know what scale is that . Or Did you refer to the size of the LHC ???
If you wuld stand in the place wher the particles colide , and if then a antimater wuld be created . IT WULD NOT HURT YOU , becos the size if its is so small it wuld desitegreate like one atom of you body. AT FULL power.
I Realy dont know how to expaly it to You simpler. Man , please try to read and learn .
And one more thing , this is not first atom smasher on earth , ther are 2 or 3 working long time now , and quest what no world end has occured. |
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| Quote | | | | | And 3 more things
I wuld rather trust Stephen Hawking that stupid jurnalists , that created that hype just to sell they papers.
The LHC will be fully operational in a year probable.
And every second more drastick event happen in EARTH atmosphere , particled colide ther with muth larger energy that in LHC , ques what NO WORLD END .
PS. Every one who thinks that LHC is dooms day machine reminds me of that Natives indian throwing a spears at fly by chooper. |
Last edited by nCaine; September 15th, 2008 at 11:32 PM..
| Quote | | | | | Ok one more thing about us surviving. By us i mean HUMAN RACE .
Well Earth is almos death , yes , that the fact .
And the only option for us to survive is space , and the main keys to our survivial is space exploration and YES the LHC experiments .
This is not my idea , but i like to keep up with the greates mind on this planet , and if they say that i belive in it. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixlord One of the greatest scientific experiments of all time is being conducted. Petabytes of hard scientific data will be annually produced and require a massive effort to store and analyze. |
Yea , did you know they use some network/internet that is 100 time faster that what we use now. | | | | I'm sure nothing Earth threatening will happen, same thing happened in 1999 when everyone said the end of the world was near, or comet Hale Bob, those astroids that hit Jupiter in mid 90's, etc.
Also, creating a black hole that will destroy the Earth will take a really really really huge amount of energy to create, galactical amounts of energy not possibly made by us, even with the LHC. If visible black hole does come out of this and goes out of control, it will be like a very very very small drain in a tub, barely felt until over the loooong period of time (might be a great waste disposal). | | | | you know size doesnt matter when it comes to these things, the uranium core in a nuclear bomb is the size of a basketball and yields enough power to level a major city.
you can keep telling yourself that its totaly safe all you want but it still doesnt make it true, and the ends still dont justify the risk, but thats just my opinion. | | | | Even if they do create a black hole...It would not be big enough to swallow an atom or anyo ther particle...which will in turn cause it to collapse prior to it being detected. We have nothing on this planet that can generate enough energy to cause a black hole that would cause the "world ending" effect that these idiots are talking about. Unless we find away to stop the fusion in our own sun!!!! Good luck with that! | | | | to me a black hole is a cosmic drain of dark matter (dark matter being the largest percent of the unknown substance between galaxies) Dark Matter is smaller and denser than any other known substance. When a star goes supernova large enough to expand the realm of its galaxy and allow dark matter to penetrate the galaxy a black hole is then formed. Initial galaxy formation created their centered black holes. Now, with the LHC the concern is when the collision occurs; it could create dark matter space for a brief moment and possible allow a dark matter vacuum to form. This will engulf all matter on one side and burn a hole (drain pipe) on the other till it reaches dark matter and then equalize. This hole if created will be microscopic and be sort of like a dam with a pin hole and could become larger over time (time uncertain, of course) I just hope their "GOD particle" is really not dark matter! | | | | We can discuss this all day, the simple matter of fact is that these guys are messing with things they simply don't understand, things that are potentially dangerous, and doing that puts us all at risk to some extent or other...
...but f***ing with their computers 'aint gonna help make things safer! |
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| Quote | | | | | I wont talk enymore with some one who belivs what newspapers write . and take this as a 100% true.
If You look , you find that all this stupid hype came from one jornalist at first and then got copied by other media.
I never expected that someone who have some to do with puters , electronicks , can belive in shit like that , but i was wrong.
"the uranium core in a nuclear bomb is the size of a basketball and yields enough power to level a major city."
Thats still like milion times biger that what they do at LHC , and it has nothing to do with atomic bomb , start to use your brain .
PS. Ther is alrady one human detah by this project , ohhh sorry not by the project by the stupid news papers . A woman commited suicide in the day of LHC start.
The reason she wrote was that the world gonna end.
The fun part is that at the day of the LHC start , no particles have collided , it was only test run , and the particles even dint make full round but some about 17 km of the 28 km long run . |
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| Quote | | | | | The truth of the matter is ,WE DO NOT know what is gonna happen, THEY DO, as this is what their reseach is about. Any attempt to argue about something that is not a personal field of research,and is based on sci-fi garbage TV and newpaper glorification, is both purile and full of ignorance. Get a grip.....I will be the first one to not trust governments, but even most of them are not dumb enough to sanction an agency without credible evidence of safety.....while your being scared though.....I heard the Anti-Christ is here!! ROFL!! | | | | Black hole? where? I'm chasing blackholes my entire life. | | | | yeah...an unimaginable amount of energy...kinda like colliding particles at the speed of light?...stephen hawking doesn't care about human kind...the world has been cruel and unusual to him...Leave it a blowhardy scientific cripple to reject the empathetic understanding of the value of human life....These experiments have ZERO benefits for our existance...its playing with the very fabric of matter...In a universe created in chaos and unexplainable and unimaginable force and complexity how on gods green earth does Stephen Hawking think were just going to play around with that type of power...SHUT IT DOWN | | | | The level os stupidy in this thread becom too muth for me. Read the post above , IoI.
ohman , are you jelous of the "blowhardy scientific cripple" |
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| Quote | | | | | My name is Stephen hawking and i'm a f**ken quake god
i got my finger on the trigger and my eye on the quad.......
Luv that MCHawking tune....
Regen : I hear that brother......of course sometimes ya wake up in the morning and realize that the universe has turned to crap......all cause of a few particles colliding at the speed of light!! Lol coyote ugly is never taken into the equations ,and can have dire consequences.......haha | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration Black hole? where? I'm chasing blackholes my entire life. |
lmao | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration Black hole? where? I'm chasing blackholes my entire life. | Not a cause for concern but you're sitting on one right now. Better leave it alone though. | | | |
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