|  | | Grand Theft Auto Blamed for Saving Family |  Many disparage the value of video games and their effect on today's youths. Karen Norris, of Streator, will say no such thing. Not after her quick-witted 11-year-old daughter, Audrey Plique, sprung to the rescue of their family because a popular video game showed a potential danger of a vehicle rollover.
"She just knew, from playing 'Grand Theft Auto.' She saw on there that when a car rolls over, it can blow up. She knew that could happen to us," Norris said.
About 9 p.m. Aug. 27, the family of five was en route to visit relatives in Diamond when Karen's husband, Robert Norris Jr., felt lightheaded while driving on Route 113 about one-half mile east of Coal City. Their 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee drifted off the road while moving 55 to 60 mph, struck a guardrail and flipped four times before coming to rest on its side in the ditch. The roof of the vehicle caved in and the back window broke out.
"It was a pretty scary experience," said Audrey, a fifth-grade student at Oakland Park School. Both parents lost their glasses and were dazed in the dark night. The three children -- Audrey, her 9-year-old sister, April Smith, and her 7-year-old brother, Robbie Norris III -- were wearing seatbelts, as were their parents. April was hanging upside down and Robbie was pinned down.
You can read the entire article at The Times. | | 30 Comments | | | Kids, kids, kids... KIDS?! GTA serie is for adults, not for children, eot. | | | | stfu, anybody should be able to play video games. Theres no proof that games make any kid more prone to violent behavior. | | | | Compared with the group that played the nonviolent game, the group that played the violent video game demonstrated less activation in the prefrontal portions of the brain, which are involved in inhibition, concentration and self-control, and more activation in the amygdala, which is involved in emotional arousal.
Now while i agree with both of you, i do have some reasons behind this statement. I believe that parents should have more of an active role in what their child is doing, videogames, music , movies. I believe some children can handle simulated violence, and some can't , but it is up to the parent in the end to PAY ATTENTION to your childs exhibiting behavior. A healthy lesson or two on what is real and what is not, what is alright and what is wrong wouldn't hurt either. But people like to put their kids in front of a TV and then blame MTV (or GTA, Marilynn Manson, etc.) for their kids behavior..... So in stating this if you put an immature,mentally unbalanced ,or depressed child in front of it with no guidance ,you will reap the rewards of your ignorance. | | | | ^bingo. Parental Guidance is the basis of a well developed mental state. | | | | Violent Video Games - Psychologists Help Protect Children from Harmful Effects Psychological research confirms that violent video games can increase children's aggression, but that parents moderate the negative effects. Findings
Fifty years' of research on violent television and movies has shown that there are several negative effects of watching such fare (see http://www.psychologymatters.org/mediaviolence.html). Because video games are a newer medium, there is less research on them than there is on TV and movies. However, studies by psychologists such as Douglas Gentile, PhD, and Craig Anderson, PhD, indicate it is likely that violent video games may have even stronger effects on children's aggression because (1) the games are highly engaging and interactive, (2) the games reward violent behavior, and because (3) children repeat these behaviors over and over as they play (Gentile & Anderson, 2003). Psychologists know that each of these help learning - active involvement improves learning, rewards increase learning, and repeating something over and over increases learning.
Drs. Anderson and Gentile's research shows that children are spending increasing amounts of time playing video games - 13 hours per week for boys, on average, and 5 hours per week for girls (Anderson, Gentile, & Buckley, under review; Gentile, Lynch, Linder, & Walsh, 2004). A 2001 content analyses by the research organization Children Now shows that a majority of video games include violence, about half of which would result in serious injuries or death in the 'real' world. Children often say their favorite video games are violent. What is the result of all this video game mayhem? Dr. Anderson and colleagues have shown that playing a lot of violent video games is related to having more aggressive thoughts, feelings, and behaviors (Anderson & Bushman, 2001). Furthermore, playing violent games is also related to children being less willing to be caring and helpful towards their peers. Importantly, research has shown that these effects happen just as much for non-aggressive children as they do for children who already have aggressive tendencies (Anderson et al., under review; Gentile et al., 2004).
Parents have an important role to play. Psychologists have found that when parents limit the amount of time as well as the types of games their children play, children are less likely to show aggressive behaviors (Anderson et al., under review; Gentile et al., 2004). Other research suggests that active parental involvement in children's media usage-including discussing the inappropriateness of violent solutions to real life conflicts, reducing time spent on violent media, and generating alternative nonviolent solutions to problems-all can reduce the impact of media violence on children and youth (Anderson et al., 2003). Significance
Children spend a great deal of time with violent video games at exactly the ages that they should be learning healthy ways to relate to other people and to resolve conflicts peacefully. Because video games are such good teachers, it is critical to help parents, educators, and policy-makers understand how to maximize their benefits while minimizing potential harms. http://www.psychologymatters.org/videogames.html | | | | Quote: |
"She just knew, from playing 'Grand Theft Auto.' She saw on there that when a car rolls over, it can blow up. She knew that could happen to us," Norris said.
| A car that rolls over is extremely unlikely to blow up. Their Jeep did NOT blow up. How is she a "hero", moving people who may have spinal injuries.
Her parents are extremely bad parents letting children probably including her siblings play a game that "mature". | | | | Wow....Dyre ,nice...........yay Lyla .......Yes i Agree, and no i don't .... i think if the parents agreed she can mentally and emotionally handle it( doubt if they were paying any attetion though) ,then it is acceptable....however i have a daughter the same age, and she is not in a responsible position for that game....however i don't believe age should come into it... | | | | | | ....... and here's a picture of Audrey on her first car jacking, killing spree.....isn't she cute? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by n3omatrix Wow....Dyre ,nice...........yay Lyla .......Yes i Agree, and no i don't .... i think if the parents agreed she can mentally and emotionally handle it( doubt if they were paying any attetion though) ,then it is acceptable....however i have a daughter the same age, and she is not in a responsible position for that game....however i don't believe age should come into it... | Age should come into it, as even if the child is a child genious, it does not mean they should be exposed to themes involving rape/gang violence/theft/murder/prostitution etc. Let a child be a child. If you wish to educate them on the big bad world there are better ways than a game like GTA. I like GTA, but I am an adult. A child shouldn't be exposed to the way GTA depicts these subjects, doesn't matter how "mature" the child acts, or how bad a parent you have been so far. It doesn't make it right. I agree if it says "18", then 16 may be ok....but 8, 11, 5, too far away imo. Not even in the ball park.
Also the correct advice for a car accident is not to drag people out asap. Most cars do not explode "suddenly" etc. Obviously the exception here is leaking gas etc...however a damaged roof does not cause this. The advice is to keep the occupents calm, make them focus on you, get professional help asap, perhaps plan for a quick exit if one is required, i.e. clear a path, but you dont just drag or move people who could have spinal injuries. Would she have been a hero if her youger sister is now paralised from the waist down because she pulled on her when the situation was the car was not going to blow up. Hollywood have to use a hell of a lot of explosives to do there car crashes. Cars just don't blow up like that. Otherwise all the car crash testing centers for example Euro Ncap, would be on fire all the time, seriously only if you smell/see a gas/fuel leak, then it needs an igniting agent and oxygen.
This just gives all the wrong signals.
The REAL issues here is the parents. - Why was someone driving who at any moment would drift off the road.
- Why do they let their young children play 18+ rated games.
- Why are they promoting going against the correct advice for dealing with a serious road accident.
| | | | Woa, talk about stupid parents. And it IS true that a car is very unlikely to explode, it will at worse catch fire. | | | | While I agree kids that young sohuld not be playing games like that, i dont agree at all that violent video games have an effect on kids agression, if anything they have a positive effect, other studies have shown that video games provide a safe and healthy outlet for kids agression and frustrations, id rather my kid shoot up some people in a video game then at the school, video games have nothing to do with kid being violet, if anything its cause by individual segrigation created by the media, making some kinds out others because their not what the tv or magazine says is cool.
Rgardless, kids that you should not be being exposed to that degree of sexual content, its not even the violence if you ask me, GTA is a very dirty game, but then again what does it show that kids dont see on tv/movies every single day??
anyways, is a car likely to explode if it rolls over? yes if its a pinto, then even a speedbump could do the trick, otherwise, not really, but it could catch fire if the gas tank was comprimised |
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| Quote | | | | | To catch fire it still needs a source of ignition, leaking petrol wont just catch fire, unless ofc the parents also allowed their kids to smoke drugs in the backseat of the jeep. | | | | What a bunch of crap , the parents are just plain stupid. | | | | fWIW, in December of 1996, I had the unfortunate experience of having the pickup truck I was driving get side-swiped by a huge tractor-trailer on the Interstate at speeds of close to 70 mph. The collision caused the pickup truck to overturn approximately 6 times per eye witnesses and traveled an estimated 100 yards down the highway before coming to a halt.
Fortunately, although the vehicle was completely demolished, I suffered only a few cuts and bruises due to ALWAYS wearing my seatbelt/shoulder strap....even though in our State of Georgia, doing so is not required while driving a pickup truck.
I never lost consciousness during the entire episode. The vehicle came to stop in an upright position. I turned off the key and removed it from the ignition switch and commenced to find a way to get out of the vehicle. The only way of exit was through the rear window onto the bed of the truck.
There was no explosion and no fire involved at all.
I was able to walk away from the vehicle on my own accord and was checked out at the hospital and back home within a few hours.
This doesn't mean I'm an expert on whether a vehicle will explode during a rollover or not. However, it's my understanding that newer vehicles have some kind of safety mechanism that shuts off the engine in a situation like this. I turned off the ignition switch simply by force of training that I had gone through many years ago.
Here's a photo of that 1991 Ford Ranger 4x4 after the rollover.....  | | | | That's one heck of a wreck to survive, thanks for sharing. | | | | Hey, who deleted my reply with the awesome picture of "Audrey"..? Stop hiding Reg we all know you are the guilty one! |
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| Quote | | | | | Well there is a reason gas/petrol needs to be mixed with just the right amount of air, then compressed, then a spark applied, it really does not burn that easily. | | | | naw gas does burn pretty easily, when i was younger we'd use it all the time to start the bon fire, a match will get it burning just fine, but unlike the movies cars dont really 'explode' as gass isnt per se explosive, if the tank catches fire there will be a big fireball but it wont actually go ka-boom unless its under alot of presure.
The thing with a car catching fire is that theres alot of variables that need to go just right for it to happen, such as the engine blows, the electrical system sparks against something and ignites the gas, its all a matter of chance | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by blindartist naw gas does burn pretty easily, when i was younger we'd use it all the time to start the bon fire, a match will get it burning just fine, but unlike the movies cars dont really 'explode' as gass isnt per se explosive, if the tank catches fire there will be a big fireball but it wont actually go ka-boom unless its under alot of presure.
The thing with a car catching fire is that theres alot of variables that need to go just right for it to happen, such as the engine blows, the electrical system sparks against something and ignites the gas, its all a matter of chance | Yes but it doesnt burn that easily, i.e. some gas dripping on a hot part of the engine will not catch fire. You really need gas + spark/fire, you tend not to get this, and even when you do it just burns, it does not go KABOOM. Even if the gas tank catches fire it tends to just burn out of the petrol filler nossle as a small jet of flame, but it still does not go KABOOOM!!!!, like GTA.
As to my experience, I have watched a car burn from start to finish, from an electrical fire, to the tires exploding, to the gas tank burning out. Yes a car will burn, but explode, no, lots of time/warning. I have also seen quite a few car programs relating to hollywood car explosions and the reality of car fires with regards to triggering and how different elements burn. | | | | im not debating the fact that you need a spark or fire to ignite it, heat wont do it unless it is extreme like falling on a red hot burner, like i said everything has to happen just right for gas to catch in an accident, its pretty unlikely but it is possible
is watching cars burn a hobby of yours? :P hehe | | | | In Hollywood movies a car will blow up if the hero so much as farts in its direction. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by blindartist im not debating the fact that you need a spark or fire to ignite it, heat wont do it unless it is extreme like falling on a red hot burner, like i said everything has to happen just right for gas to catch in an accident, its pretty unlikely but it is possible
is watching cars burn a hobby of yours? :P hehe | No but when one catches fire on a single road in front of you, you do have to wait for it to stop before driving past.
But you shouldnt move occupents of a serious crash without being sure of their injuries, so her dragging on people and such like is not something i would encourage or advocate, it will be fairly clear if the car is going to catch fire or if it is on fire as to whether there is a rush or not on removing people from the vehicle. But my main issue is the 'parents'. | | | | What games a child plays......hmmm i never said if a child was genius they should be able to play GTA......what i said was in reference to being a responsible person and exhibiting being mature ... which i know many adults can't do , much less a 12 year old.....however my kids do play violent video games( not GTA however), and are far more responsible than aforementioned said adults. They do not play all the time or all day, and when responsibilities are not met, not at all.
leap before u speak that's what i say, does no one actually do research, before they state an opinion as fact? Liquid fuels are those combustible or energy-generating molecules that can be harnessed to create mechanical energy, usually producing kinetic energy; they also must take the shape of their container. Most liquid fuels, in widespread use, are or derived from fossil fuels; however, there are several types, such as hydrogen fuel (for automotive uses), which are also categorized as a liquid fuel. One fact that is unknown to the rest of the world is that the fumes of Liquid fuels are flammable instead of the fluid.
Cars are capable of exploding!! as surely as a cell phone can blow up a gas station.... there are many videos, records and so forth of such incidents. Try the internet it is a good resource!!
Lyla do you honestly believe a twelve year old has got the insight or experience to make a judgement call of danger vs well being of victims? While i totally agree with you, she just does not have the experience or knowledge to do that..... given that, i believe she made the right choice..... |
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| Quote | | | | | cars DO NOT explode!... at least in 99.98% of all cases. ask a firefighter, it's a common fact. | | | | | | You all might want to talk to my younger son about his Toyota Camry that blew up on him right in his driveway a little over a month ago.
He had noticed that it was idling kind of rough and decided to take it up to Advance Auto to get some new plug wires and sparkplugs. As he went to start it up, it blew up and sent fire right into the driver compartment through the air vents. He got blisters on his legs and the hair on his arms and legs was singed.
He and his neighbor immediately called 911 and the fire department was sent out. As they waited for the fire department, they both used hoses from their outside spigots to hose down the car.
The fire chief told them that if they had not hosed down the car while waiting for the fire department, the car WOULD HAVE EXPLODED right there in the driveway.
My son was very, very fortunate to not have gotten worse injuries AND he was also very lucky he didn't have the car parked in the garage at the time.
The car was a total loss and his insurance settled with him just a couple of weeks ago. He replaced the Toyota with a Honda CR-X.
So, cars DO Blow up, and they DO explode. I've also seen too many vehicles on the side of the road over the years that have caught fire due to timing chains/belts breaking, etc. |
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| Quote | | | | | Dyre, they use the term "exploded" very loosely, the gas tank would have flared into a big fireball, or just burnt off violently, it wouldnt have 'exploded' like in hollywood. im guessing is engine blew, the block was probably cracked and it gave when he went to start it, its never a good thing
anyways this is getting old, give it a rest guys | | | | consider it rested blind.....sorry | | | | |