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Originally Posted by Unregistered  I'm wondering how can you be converting CUDA from nvidia's Archi to ATI's one...
I mean they're really different, G80/G92 is made for Cuda etc... and R600/RV670 doesn't even have cache on its SP ! (RV770 has)
So this brings two questions : How will you be able to workaround these lacking features on ATI's Archi without quite huge performance drop ? Or will these just stay unsupported ?
thx again, this is a great work. |
They really aren't all that different. Both are based on the Brook project so there are a lot of similarities there. | |
| | Well consider ati been doin math based algorithums for quite some time ( folding @ home ) . since the x1900 days . its not a matter if Ati's gpus can do physics its matter of IF they want physics on theiir Gpu's . personally having the Gpu perform Physics along side actual visuals of gaming it would allieviate the cpu's work load there fore people with dual core cpus or smaller cpus can still enjoy full out gaming experience . granted the vdeo card's performance will still be highly affected by the cpu but not in a sence to where it cant be enjoyable . ie. in crysis lets say the physics of that game was completly done off the gpu itself not the cpu , we wouldnt see such a hit in performance vs having the cpu do all the software based physics . | |
| | Overall i am more interested in the whole CUDA facility running on ATI hardware than just PhysX.
There is more to life than just games.
Some interesting things would be
CUDA compression (7z etc)
CUDA Audio/Video Encoder (More than Avivo XCode)
CUDA Emulators (if SOMEHOW this could happen could be very interesting. I would love to see PS2 emulator running GPU code on this)
and probably a heck lot more.
Can't wait for the future. | |
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Originally Posted by roger_ramjet Overall i am more interested in the whole CUDA facility running on ATI hardware than just PhysX.
There is more to life than just games.
Some interesting things would be
CUDA compression (7z etc)
CUDA Audio/Video Encoder (More than Avivo XCode)
CUDA Emulators (if SOMEHOW this could happen could be very interesting. I would love to see PS2 emulator running GPU code on this)
and probably a heck lot more.
Can't wait for the future. | Thx for bringing up the encoding,
Reg will this be able to support the CUDA based Audio/Video Encoders that are available now,
it works on Nvidia's CUDA cards. | |
| | I'm not really familiar with the Physics issue on video cards, but it seems to me that unless an API is created that is truly open, the entire concept of physics processing on the GPU is going nowhere. The last thing I would want to see is a proprietary NVIDIA API held over the heads of other video card manufacturers, thereby allowing them to further dominate the market and increase prices. Wouldn't an open API be the ideal way to go with everybody contributing to it's development? I don't know about anyone else, but I want to see more vigorous competition in the video card market...paying close to $600 or so for a high end video card is a joke. No other part of the PC component industry makes that kind of margin. | |
| | LOL. I check back every hour everyday hoping that there is a new link to download the drivers  | |
| | BUMP. Double post | |
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Originally Posted by Spyral LOL. I check back every hour everyday hoping that there is a new link to download the drivers | I hear that man!! but when do u find the time after hanging out on the ATI forums? LOL  | |
| | N3omatrix
I hope you are not confusing me with Spyre AMD's forum mod! when I logon this is my first site then Guru3d, then AMD forum see if I can help anyone there then log back here.lol and that is all I do everyday except weekend when I Dj | |
| | First, all apologize for my horrible english... I'm french 
Since the year 2006 and the ATI physic's rendering Demo's, I'm waiting hopefully for a physic support anyway.
I think that Regeneration can be the right way for my dream coming true.
I'm ready to help you if you need Beta tester : I possess actually a HD2900XT and my hd4850 CF is coming soon.
( I post in 2 topic because i don't know wich is the good) | |
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| | Regen
Whats up?
Anything new about this Project? | |
| | Echo that? What's up Rege? You hard at work with it? | |
| | Didn't u all hear that Rege got job at Nv.... | |
| | Any chance you could work on a radeon hd 3850 agp version. The latest drivers are currently hotfix's found on the amd site. The latest hotfix driver i have is version 8.6 agp. It would be awesome to get physx support on this ageing agp system! | |
| | wow..!... is Everyone thinkin' this is dead?.....I still believe....whoa..... | |
| | Hi Guys,
Thanks to Palit, we finally got some HD 4800 hardware to play with. However, we will have to review it first - so it will take some time. Sadly, I’m also sick and having some eye sight issues, so I will provide more updates only next week.
Cheers, |
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| | Spyral , no i did not mean Spyre.... I was talkin about ur helpful comments on ATI forums from time to time....also it was a j/k comment...... | |
| | n3omatrix
Cool Bro Im glad alot of people think im helpful, I try my best to help people in need when I can, Because I know how it feels to be left in the Dark. | |
| | Hey rege can you tell me how you actually did this, I just looked at the physX and CUDA sdk's and it actually looks possible because the SDK does detect the card but without CUDA it crashes, so CUDA must be driver bown | |
| | Hey yeah......hmmmm, isn;t there a law somewhere that says if you cannot produce a working beta within' a week then you must release a step by step procedure?,,,,LOL | |
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| | Still checking this everyday...would love to see this work! | |
| | Out of curiosity, wouldn't it be possible to write a PhysX dll using AMD's GPGPU language directly?
I understand implementing CUDA would end up in a broader usefulness, but I'm worried about the performance aspect of this aproach, as adding layers of code doesn't generally help.
And if it is possible, is it a copyright problem here? (CUDA is open to implementation, PhysX is private software) | |
| | applied to test this for ya just wondering if theres any sort of idea when the beta will come out? | |
| | I'm giving up on this old subject. Nothing has materialized yet. Not even a video or a beta. | |
| | AMD probably don't care ......but will still not help as it is not in their interest to support Nvidia...... | |
| | I think they are having Problems getting the HD 4xxx to work
and also Regen was/is sick and that really does not help.
I know ppl think that this is just an excuse to buy time but a person can get sick you know. | |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered I'm giving up on this old subject. Nothing has materialized yet. Not even a video or a beta. |
Goodbye | |
| | Well, I'm checking this one every day as well.. Was hoping we'll have an answer before I buy my card, but seems like not  I'll buy me HD4870 anyway, and will just keep my fingers crossed, and will keep checking this thread!
Keep it up Regen, we all depend on you!
P.S. But do get well first.. | |
| | Not me man , i will support Regen ,until he says otherwise.....I will still be checking in periodically for updates on this. Hope you are feeling better Regen.
besides i like the articles around here ,very informative......sometimes has a little to much inquirer from time to time, but then again everything on the internet is true!! didn't ya know? | |
| | Hi Regen
Have we been left in the dark now? | |
| | What do you guys need hourly updates? Damn if it is soo important to you learn how to program and do some research/hacking. These things are not that complicated if you are willing to invest the time and effort. OTOH to get a actual release the time involved can be "Extensive" Anything can be done with software it's just a matter of time and effort. | |
| | i would but i have no idea how to program . . its all greek to me . i wouldnt even know where to start | |
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Originally Posted by DragonFury i would but i have no idea how to program . . its all greek to me . i wouldnt even know where to start | Google | |
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| | ok good ans but what do i type in google ? how to program cuda for ati ? bc i get this thread a boatload of times and some sites in some foriegn langauge not even google reconizes  | |
| | Find a C++ site with peops that know Cuda and then they can direct you on how to proceed. Search for "Programming in C++" that should get you on the path. GL | |
| | LOL...are you seriously suggesting that someone should learn programing from scratch to be able to do this....I take it you drive a car? Do you know how to make the materials and technologies behind it?....NO.
So just cos someone asks where this driver is don't be a smart a$$.
I think considering it's a month since this was first announced people have a right to question where it is or at least have some firm proof of its existence. | |
| | Well, Regen did say he'll give us update this week. Meaning tomorrow at latest.. I'll be ordering 4870 first thing monday, one way or the other, but I'm still hoping at least for a confirmation that PhysX works (at least partialy) on 48xx series.
It would be rude to demand or be pain in the a** to Regen, since he is getting no money from us for his work. But we're all just very eager to know what's happening, and that's why people are asking "what's up" every day. I do hope the reason is not cos Regen has some serious health problems, I don't care about stupid drivers if someone is ill.. But we all hope to see some (positive) news soon, as I doubt that this many people would be checking this page every day..
P.S. Can someone from Regen's crew confirm he is fine or anything.. Anything. | |
| | Toms Hardware said it shoud be out this weekend.... Soooo..... | |
| | Exactly, like Joe Rogan once said, "If I sent you into the forest with an axe, how long would it be before you could send me an email". | |
| | Does this mean we'll be able to run Badaboom on Radeon? | |
| | so no news? how are things going? | |
| | any Idea of a time table of when to expect a driver release | |
| | should we throw this in the same bucket along with duke nukem forever? starting to feel that way, a preview release wouldn't hurt... | |
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Originally Posted by unreg Toms Hardware said it shoud be out this weekend.... Soooo..... | eh . . . where Quote:
Originally Posted by LuxZg Well, Regen did say he'll give us update this week. Meaning tomorrow at latest.. I'll be ordering 4870 first thing monday, one way or the other, but I'm still hoping at least for a confirmation that PhysX works (at least partialy) on 48xx series.
It would be rude to demand or be pain in the a** to Regen, since he is getting no money from us for his work. But we're all just very eager to know what's happening, and that's why people are asking "what's up" every day. I do hope the reason is not cos Regen has some serious health problems, I don't care about stupid drivers if someone is ill.. But we all hope to see some (positive) news soon, as I doubt that this many people would be checking this page every day..
P.S. Can someone from Regen's crew confirm he is fine or anything.. Anything. | regen said he would give us an update the week before last week, the 17th, so last week that update was supposed to be coming,
. . . . . . . ., im starting to feel sad, | |
| | Apologizes for the delay, I’ve been sick. Anyways, I will provide update today or tomorrow. | |
| | yeah, its wierd I know a few people who got sick in the last few days, one is in a hopspital now,
get well man | |
| | Welcome back Regen
I hope you're all well now, so we don't have any sudden disappearances again
Will be checking regulary for update! (as usual ) I just hope we'll be receiving some good news about 48xx series, since my card is coming tomorrow.. would be perfect timing | |
| | Right on man.......Wow that must've bin' some round with bein' sick eh? Anyway take your time the diehard's aren't goin anywhere ,and i know how it is to stare at a computer screen and feel like sh1t.....anyway ,glad you are still alive and thinkin' of us hope ya feel better... | |
| | I'd really like to take part in this beta thingie. Just got a new 4870 for myself and can't wait to get some more points in 3dmark vantage
Is there a way to still get in? | |
| | Good to hear, got my 2nd 3870(well it was a free upgrade) back from rma 2 days ago. | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I will provide update today or tomorrow. | well hope you feeling better ....but stop saying you going to do it and them dont do it, ppl will take your word for it, but... if you keep doing this you can damage your reputation, ppl will never take you serious again!
Keep this in mind before you post again! | |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered well hope you feeling better ....but stop saying you going to do it and them dont do it, ppl will take your word for it, but... if you keep doing this you can damage your reputation, ppl will never take you serious again!
Keep this in mind before you post again! | and who the hell are you , i dont see you doin nothin but complain. what a fag | |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered well hope you feeling better ....but stop saying you going to do it and them dont do it, ppl will take your word for it, but... if you keep doing this you can damage your reputation, ppl will never take you serious again!
Keep this in mind before you post again! | that's what thousands of waiting users around the world are thinking - for several weeks meanwhile.
it's still just a rumour, and it's base is a screenshot.
still hope it's true and eagerly waiting for something concrete... | |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered well hope you feeling better ....but stop saying you going to do it and them dont do it, ppl will take your word for it, but... if you keep doing this you can damage your reputation, ppl will never take you serious again!
Keep this in mind before you post again! | in b4 angry fanboy rage. | |
| | I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. | |
| | OK..... That's done people..... Nothing to see here... Move along........ | |
| | Now anyway...... Either you're delaying the inevitable (Whatever that is.) or perhaps you've gotten too popular...... Just back out when you still have the chance. | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. |
why ? i figured something like this was goin the happen . | |
| | how long till they lay on the legal threats? | |
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Originally Posted by DragonFury why ? i figured something like this was goin the happen . |
Its just my opinion , but it wont see daylight until nvidia release they driver with full support for psyhx .
i think | |
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Originally Posted by nCaine Its just my opinion , but it wont see daylight until nvidia release they driver with full support for psyhx .
i think | I can see the logic in what you are saying there.....but I've got a growing nagging doubt that these are just a series of excuses and the driver will not be released (if it exists)....let's face it from the start we had "Not sure if I'm going to release it because of bad personal experiences with AMD"....then it was I want support from AMD....then REGE was I'll....then he was back and going to post in a day or two....but he didn't post....then he has been told to hold on for a few days....what's next....the dog ate my home work?....
I do apologize if I'm wrong but this it getting really old now and to be honest unbelievable. | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. | Well, this doesn't look good. But could we at least get SOME info? Like untill when was update delayed? Who were the sources? And what was the reason for asking you to delay it..?
It's not like you have to post finished driver right away, just pls give us info if it has ANY chances to run on 48xx series or is that far history now.
Thanks for your understanding! | |
| | its not like that . it could be anyone of the 2 manus putting a hold on it . ( my guess is Nvidia , mainly bc he now works for em ) and ati dont lose anything on having this type of support . plus it doesnt cost them a dime . it could also be nvidia wants a lil More support with Ati , or Ati wants a Lil more support from Nvidia . or even NGO have all the support he needs to complete this . | |
| | I have a feeling all will be revealed on 5th August.
-crenn | |
| | Sure is alot of conjecture being posted. And some Debbie Downer's too. Well, for whatever reason, it's not like we could really use them for anything other than a vantage benchmark run for now. So what's the rush? Ease up a little bit y'all. Have a great gaming day. | |
| | until now i have read 37 pages of BS saying that 'he is not goin' to release it' or 'just move along'
cut the crap! no one's interested.
let Rege do his hobby (AFAIK this is not his job)
if he is going to release it you will know first
you have to understand that this is far more complicated
nv and ati is involved too, this is not just a bunch of kids playing in kindergarden.
BE PATIENT.
anyway why do you want if so much? just to get 2000 more points in a bm? (as drouge said) | |
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Originally Posted by drouge Sure is alot of conjecture being posted. And some Debbie Downer's too. Well, for whatever reason, it's not like we could really use them for anything other than a vantage benchmark run for now. So what's the rush? Ease up a little bit y'all. Have a great gaming day. |
Not exacly i think , when it will be out , it will probable support all the titles , that use psyhX PPU , well that is what nvidia is going to do so. | |
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Originally Posted by z_ahangya let Rege do his hobby (AFAIK this is not his job) | Granted it is Rege's hobby not his job....but he chose to invite the world in when he posted this article...and I'm sure he would have realized the impact the subject matter of that post was going to have and the debate controvesey and expectation it would cause.
Like it or not the reputation of this web site and of Rege with a large number of people are hanging on the outcome of this. | |
| | I think the drivers will be released just as Regeneration said they would. He said they would be released and I take him at his word, why - because he has this website and his word has to stand for something to get products to do articles on. if his word was not reliable then he would have no sponsors to send him products to review for the public to read and make up their mind. I for one Find very interesting articles like the ATI Micro studder issues. i did not find it listed anywhere else or wasn't really looking because I do not own the 4000 series of ati cards yet. I have a Ageia /Nvidea Physix card and a HIS HD 3870 DDR4 512 video card. I think that after the Nvidea announcement we will see something in the way of a driver release or further information. I trust Regeneration. I too wait and wish it was sooner than later but one way or another Regeneration will deliver on his word.
Just my opinion from a loyal fan who has no reason to doubt.
Best regards Regeneration and your team,
ironleg1963 |
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Originally Posted by nCaine Not exacly i think , when it will be out , it will probable support all the titles , that use psyhX PPU , well that is what nvidia is going to do so. | Exactly, and if for example the Folding@Home team took some time to have a look at this, I think they could optimize the ATi GPU core to run on CUDA instead of the CAL/Brook which is used now. CUDA would eat up way less CPU resources, wouldn't it? | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. | And here we are several days later.........................? | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. | And here we are several days later..........................? | |
| | I think the so called BIG BANG II from Nvidia will be the Physics Driver in 5th of this month supporting also ATI Cards (with the help or REGENERATION).
I can´t wait...
Keep the great work | |
| | Maybe I was a little too harsh...... But my primary point is not "ignore" but more like "Umm..... Move along... When something happens, we'll contact you."
But I think it would be better to update on what is happening....... Although it might not be possible now due to the possible repercutions regarding NVidia/ATI ? | |
| | I'm sure they will be released on the 5th because thats when Nvidia Release there physx drivers | |
| | I am waiting patiently for the other shoe to drop ... so i can decide on what My next rig will be
if this can run on a 4870 ..... my next rig will have ati gpu or 2 | |
| | Yesterday news... Nvidia threatens NGOHQ over ForceWare Distribution
I think Regeneration is smarter than ya guys or just got so lucky!
He/She could get into trouble with this...
However I see a solution there: although he/she prohibited to publish it, he/she could publish the method he used to get it work and
anyone could re-do or continue his/her work for his/her own responsibility...
take your views | |
| | I read that NV Big bang II is september so I dont know where all you get a date of 5th of this month?
Sorry maybe I am missing something | |
| | Well...I hope a support for 2900 can come out soon =] I can't wait to use the CUDA Library on my 2900... | |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered I think the so called BIG BANG II from Nvidia will be the Physics Driver in 5th of this month supporting also ATI Cards (with the help or REGENERATION).
I can´t wait...
Keep the great work | No the big bang 2 is slated for September - Cuda Physx for the 8000 and 9000 series is being released on 05/08 | |
| | HEY, Regen (or anyone else) will this affect F@H performance? | |
| | HEY, Hueristic (or whatever your name is) you just asked MY question
Anyway, I think we've been waiting long enough already, can you please post an update Regen? :P | |
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Originally Posted by 268276 Well...I hope a support for 2900 can come out soon =] I can't wait to use the CUDA Library on my 2900... | This is going to support 2900 series? Thats fantastic, finly get to rock those Phsyx levels in unreal tournament 3 on my 2900pro | |
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| | Some news would be nice, even if it is a little more detail on why you are holding back. | |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days. | So, 5 days later.. any news?  Pleeeaseee! Quote: |
Quick definitions (several) - Consisting of a number more than two, but less than many
| I'd say 5 is closer to many than to several Can we get at least more precise timeline for a next update? | |
| | Nvidia's physx drivers were due for release on the 5th Aug....now I've heard that they have been delayed till either 12th or 19th not sure which if either are correct.....is that why we have had no update on this topic....Rege did promise an update in a few days and that was on the 1st Aug....whats hapnin Rege. | |
| | With large corporations like Nvidia and ATI you have to adhere to their timetable and rules so give Regeneration a break. I am sure he is doing the best he can. if he could do something then he would -maybe there is a NDA he has to adhere to until a certain date. I am waiting to see the drivers, I hope that they work on the 4870`s as well. I hope he has gotten better from being ill.
best wishes Regeneration, | |
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Originally Posted by ironleg1963 With large corporations like Nvidia and ATI you have to adhere to their timetable and rules so give Regeneration a break. I am sure he is doing the best he can. if he could do something then he would -maybe there is a NDA he has to adhere to until a certain date. I am waiting to see the drivers, I hope that they work on the 4870`s as well. I hope he has gotten better from being ill.
best wishes Regeneration, | Yeah Iagree fully and no malice intended.....I've been reading further and it seems Nvidia's drivers are going to be released on 12th Aug and numerous game patches on the 19th.... http://www.custompc.co.uk/features/6...ysx-games.html
Wonder if we are going to be able to make use of Nvidia's games/game patch downloads as well? | |
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Originally Posted by ironleg1963 With large corporations like Nvidia and ATI you have to adhere to their timetable and rules so give Regeneration a break. I am sure he is doing the best he can. if he could do something then he would -maybe there is a NDA he has to adhere to until a certain date. I am waiting to see the drivers, I hope that they work on the 4870`s as well. I hope he has gotten better from being ill.
best wishes Regeneration, | NHF man, but I don't even expect him to post a driver.. Just to post an update on his progress. And even if he has NDA signed, or something similar, that doesn't forbid him to say things like:
a) I have signed NDA, can't talk about it anymore
b) I'm progressing but still not there
c) it works with cards x, y, z, but seems like it will never run with g, h, j cards
d) ..
A simple update. Just a word what's happening.. anything, as long as it's not all silence all around. I start to feel like I'm in some B-rated horror movie where "someone is watching, but we don't know who, but we better not speak or something bad will happen, though we don't know what either"
NHF @ Regen as well, I hope you at least partly understand us | |
| | Probably Regen is is full of stress..
You all better let him work.
Maby the project is dead.. but so what?
If he can't fix it, then it will be like that.
Being angry does not help. Don't hope that he will do something..
Just hope he can do it. Regen is just a human, just like we all are..
i get sick if i read some previous replies. | |
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Originally Posted by technogiant Yeah Iagree fully and no malice intended.....I've been reading further and it seems Nvidia's drivers are going to be released on 12th Aug and numerous game patches on the 19th.... http://www.custompc.co.uk/features/6...ysx-games.html
Wonder if we are going to be able to make use of Nvidia's games/game patch downloads as well? |
ok how does Nvidia releasing a new physics driver helps us ati peeps ? theres no mention of ati using ageia just that nvidia and ati believe the future of gaming is phsyics . | |
| | ati has havok in the works, they could care less about nvidia's physics | |
