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Nvidia Desperate for 55nm G200
Posted by Regeneration on June 28th, 2008, 06:49 PM

One point four billion. That's how many transistors the NVIDIA G200 core consists of. If you take that many transistors and try to make a chip out of them with a manufacturing process limited to 65nm lanes, you're going to get a lot of faulty of chips per wafer. Yields were suggested to be low 40% before the launch and that the chip would become extremely expensive, $100-110. Even though this sounded a bit extreme, it might actually have been even better than reality.

The fact is that many NVIDIA partners have been left out after G200, simply because of a lack of chips. And the partners that do get cards are not happy with the margins. NVIDIA is trying hard to get the 55nm "G200b" out as soon as possible, but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon. G200 at 55nm should be about 470mm2, which should make room for about 120 dies on a 300mm wafer. Hopefully this will push yields closer to 50%, but NVIDIA is probably going to be satisfied with above 40%.

You can read the entire article at Nordic Hardware.


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man that's rough... it's gotta look like a bee hive over there now, everyone scrambling and working over time to get something pushed out...
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It is said that NVIDIA may cancel the G200b project and work on the release of the new G3x0. It will integrate 384SP and it will use 45nm technology. Its power consumption will be lower than the G200. Its clocks will be improved to 850/2000MHz. It will match 1GB 256bit GDDR5 memory and the clock will be more than 4000MHz, yielding far better results than the 4870X2
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It is said that NVIDIA may cancel the G200b project and work on the release of the new G3x0. It will integrate 384SP and it will use 45nm technology. Its power consumption will be lower than the G200. Its clocks will be improved to 850/2000MHz. It will match 1GB 256bit GDDR5 memory and the clock will be more than 4000MHz, yielding far better results than the 4870X2
That would be a wise course of action but this still begs a question of timeline? Will they get it out before ATI's next Iteration.
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you can't have 1GB of memory on a 256bit bus, each Module interfaces at 32bit and is 64mb in size. increasing the size of the module while maintaining the same interface would cause congestion issues.

the G3x0 will be a 512bit card with 1GB DDR5 memory.
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Bits per clock cycle has a lot to do with it though as well ,bus width is not everything.....
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Actually thats where you are wrong.

The bandwidth of memory is calculated via base speed * DDR * module count * 4 (modules have a 32bit interface and 32bits = 4bytes)

The less modules, the less bandwidth.

256b GDDR5 actually requires more then 2x the speed of 512b GDDR3 to perform at the same Framebuffer output. so not only does the extra memory give more performance because theres more space, it also gives more performance because theres more modules to send data to.

you can clock a 6600GT and 5900Ultra the same, however, the Utra will always have better performance when Antialiasing is applied, because it has faster framebuffer access and write performance.
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yes , 32bits = 4 bytes and yes 256 bit would require 2 x the speed of 512 to perform the same framebuffer output per request per clockcycle. However this does not mean it can't be done(as stated in your original post) , it just means it can be clocked higher than the Gddr3 model and whether or not it is bottlenecked or not would still yield better results. I am not saying a 512b bus would not be better, however i am saying you are wrong about using 1gb on a 256bit bus if it is GDD5.
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what i said is you CANNOT HAVE 1GB OF DDR ON A 256BIT BUS.

Ram modules do not come in 128 pieces.
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But you can , it's only bus width and not indicative of how much data flow and is on the bus... just how much data flow per clock cycle, increase the clocks....like gddr5 and you increase the data flow....... 256bits/per clock cycle increase the clock cycles though to double (doubtful to get that out of gddr5 but you get the point) you would still see an increase in performance of a 1 g model versus a 512m model or a gddr3 model at any speed increase..... 1g of gddr5 would work on a 256bit ring bus......like i said it not to say you would be bottlenecking at the bus compare to a 512 but it is not as bad as you have made it out to be.....and certainly you can have 1GB on a 256bit bus.
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