This is amazing!

Yes please don't lock out the 4800 series. That was a pretty lame move on AMD's part but those new cards are just so badass...

A quick question. Are you somehow making cuda work on ati cards? Mental Ray is a powerful rendering engine that is currently being ported to cuda. The prospect of being able to render on gpu's is very lucrative. Would what you are doing make it possible to run other cuda applications on ati cards in the future?

Hey Regeneration,
Can I ask, what are your system specs?
Just to get an idea of how much the vid card is contributing towards the CPU mark.
Thanks!

This is truly amazing.

Please don't rule out the 4800 series. What AMD did was definitely a terrible choice. But the 4800 series cards are amazing. I'd love to see what these cards could do with physx... Especially the coming 4870x2...

A Quick question. Did you make ati cards capable of running cuda? If so then is it theoretically possible to run other cuda code on ati cards? Mental ray is a renderer that Nvidia recently purchased and is porting to cuda. The potential rendering speed gains using a gpu are huge. Rumors are 20x to 50x improvement. Being able to run a renderer like mental ray on a card like the 4870x2 with 2.4 teraflops of computing power would be absolutely incredible.

Hey boys it's not hard to understand... he not porting CUDA on ATi cards... it's an simple principle... who is nowadays gpus are programmables... what he trying to do is to program the GPU to run Physics more effiency that's it's... we have an good example with the 8800 GT

If you apply the new drivers you get much more 3DMarks points... why because nvidia ameliorated the Physics codes... And when the 8800GT was mades Nvidia didn't aquired Ageia... You just need to think more far than what you see on the headlines about cuda and all thoses stuff... if Regeneration is able to do this job so anybody good programer can do this job too...

And the component dont need PHYSX certified hardware on it because all of this is software related

Even before AGEIA was brought by nvidia you was able to install the Physx drivers without the PPU

So it's not inconceivable that AMD-ATI might be able to do the same thing with HAVOC.

But i think they will do it and better than Nvidia Physx.Give time to AMD they will do an more kick ass solution because any products on the market need to be concurenced

No, it wouldn't be backwards compatible with older versions of Havok that don't support GPU acceleration.

.
Anyway all this is all very interesting and it's fantastic work that "Rege" has been doing but is all to no avail and is waiting on one thing...

So "Rege" you have half of all ATI card owners waiting on your decision of whether you are going to release this driver or not. You can make that decision irrespective of whether the driver is fully complete or not...so please make it and dont keep us dangling.

If the answer is "Yes" then great and give us some kind of time frame...this weekend was mentioned in some reports.

If the answer is "No" then huge disappointment all round and wasted effort on your part.

At least with a firm decision and time frame I could get on with my live and stop dropping into this forum every half hour.

I agree with the above comment... (I hope you decide to release it tho...)

Also...
If/When you release this, will it have support for the Saphire HD 2600 XT (AGP Version)?

Thanks in advance

Cmon please Regen!! Add support for RV770 cards!? I know you want free GFX cards, but still couldnt you be a nice guy I know you really are, and forget about ATI´s louzy non giving greedy mood?? I cant give you my card (sapphire 4850), but if you need some other kind of info about the card I can give you that?? I know its hard work, and you deserve something for it. But think about what kind of "danielK" publicity you would get??? Eh eh ehh??

What an arrogant idiotic post.

Rege, take your time, work out the bugs you can. Some of us are more grateful for your effort than the above poster.

"Idiotic"...you really should have read my post properly...I'm not trying to rush him with the driver and really appreciate the difficulty of what he is trying to do and I'm grateful to him....

But "Regen" has said he is uncertain if he is going to release the driver or not even if he completes it to his satisfaction because of his feelings about AMD....in which case if he is not going to release it then this thread is pointless falsely raising peoples hopes and wasting peoples time.

This thread has caused a lot of interest and has been subject of many news items on tech webs sites and has had over 25,000 viewings so I don't think its arrogant to ask "Regen" to make a decision on that.

Guys, offtopic: What card would you recommend when it comes to air-cooled oc:
HD 3870X2 or HD 4870, cause when it comes to pricing they are quite in the same leage. Or should i go for the HD 3870 and max the **** out of it?
You know, i am after the best prize-performance-deal..., another option would be the 8800GT for ocing...

Youre the idiot, I was being ironic. Not ungrateful. You really should start reading between the lines. Maybe then you wont look so stupid when you post.

Saying "release it already or go fuck yourself" is likely to only make him not want to release it.

the point is that having passed the 3dmark (which should super stress the components) the justification of being not yet ready just falls apart. so either this is a fake to get some publicity, or this is all true but rege is just a moron and doesn't want to lose his elite status. more diffusion will just allow for more bugreport/fixes/stability, at this point (passed the vintage tests) there is not really reason to not release it

3650 for phisics and
4850 for graphics (:

I wonder wether it could work for my good ol' x1950pro :P
Any chances?

Your words and certainly not mine...so please don't "credit" me with saying or implying anything like that....I just don't think it is fair that thousands of people should be kept hoping for what, a week, two weeks or two months or more for "Regen" to complete the driver but then say "sorry but I'm not going to release it because I don't like AMD"


As he has not decided if he was actually going to release the driver then he should have delayed the post until he made that decision otherwise as I said its just raising people hopes falsely.

Incredible work!Will this work with windows xp and 3850 agp cards?

Why don't u both give it a rest..... the point that ur getting at is that we hope that he is able to see past his resentment towards ATI ....WE GET IT!! and i'm sure he does too....but instead of making resentment towards a bunch of childish behavior on this forum how about we wait and see what he does ..... sorry ur new sportscar is in the shop BUT DON'T CALL EVERY FIVE MINUTES BITCHIN' IT AIN'T GONNA GET FIXED IF I'M ON THE FONE WIT" U!!! SHOW SOME PATIENCE!!

REGEN : nice work buddy hope to see some Demo's , take ur time until u r happy with the results....drivers good! Optimized better :0
ATI maybe a thorn in your side ...... But WE will be the ones grateful to you!! (the enthusiast community)

N30

If they don't want to send you 4800's, don't worry about it..go out and buy a couple of them..
do it for the community who will give you praise for YEARS, and if you need to, open up donations and i'm sure you will get enough $$$ to fund this

P.S -
HA! to nvidia.

So what if you get to wait a while, you should just be grateful he even considers it. If it doesnt happen, well then you havent lost anything you already got?? But if he does, you will gain a superb feature?? So if you have a week heart, forget about all this and just dont think about it.

If u guys really want to appricated him u can start a paypal donation run and pool enough cash to get him 2 4870 for CF.

People stop your bitching. Either it will be released or it won't.

Hi Regeneration!

Please share with me this ATI PhysX Enabling Utility, and I test it on my dual hd2900XT...thank you!

mail: tgabzeg@mail.datanet.hu

well, i hope u release it, sounds and looks good. my system isnt the best, would be a good thing to look forward to =) good luck on the work, and keep at it

!!!!!!!!111

I Ran across your current project to put physix on the ATI cards on toms hardware and was very pleased ar what i read. I have visited your site quite frequently the past 12 hours and joined as a member. I have a HIS HD3870 DDR 4 512 and the Ageia/Nvidea physix card. I built my system around these cards and the Intel Q6600 chip just for gaming at christmas thinking that it would last me until the new socket changes from ATI /Intel came out and I would need to update an occational video card and add ram. I noticed problems when I purchased games made fr windows like Frontlines: fuel of war that had issues with the physix card. I did the support thing and was told it was not supportedeven though the drivers are on the disc and it would be passed to a level 2 tech and they would contact me. well, nvideia and the game company never got back with me. so I will stay with ATI. at least I have had return calls from them on issues.
Anyway I am glad you are putting physix on ATI/Nvidia for both. I kknow it will be a benifit for everyone.

Hey guy's I'm not trying to upset anyone and especially not "Regen". I'm really excited about this and think the guy is quite obviously a bloody genius in his field...I just don't want to end up being disappointed.

As I've got ATi graphics in my system I've been wondering for a while how I was going to get Physx in my system as I'm sure it is going to take off now with Nvidia pushing it and the obviously large number of systems out there with physx capability once they enable the 8000 series.

I have even recently bought an Ageia PPU card (from ebay... it hasn't turned up yet...but that's another worry) as although Nvidia aren't producing them anymore they at the moment still seem to be supporting them with drivers. But I don't think that is a longer term solution as I think the PCI interface it uses will soon become a bottleneck as the amount of in game physx increases.

What "Regen" is doing is the ideal solution so....Please Regen don't disappoint the community and do...when you are ready... release your driver

"release it already or go fuck yourself"

..hmmm, that sounds about right. (jk)

Okay, here are some updates about what’s going on:

• The software is still under development, there are a few issues that need to be addressed. During the weekend, I ran it on UT3 but its not working perfectly. However, after testing the game with a 8800GT, it seems that everything is fine on our side and the problem lies in UT3’s side.

• At this stage, I don’t know which GPUs will be supported. I don’t even know if we will release as a stand-alone application or bundled with our NGO ATI Optimized Driver. Hell, I don’t even know if it will be released at all.

• To everyone who claims this is fake/hoax, our software uses CUDA and It is intuitive to use because it is basically C. This task isn’t impossible as you think. If you’re visiting NGOHQ.com often, then you should know I’m a man of honor (without any image manipulation skills - never been an artist).

• I don’t see any legal problem with what are doing since CUDA and PhysX are free and we are using our code. However, I haven’t received any “green light” from our attorney yet to distribute it.

• We are still planning to post some footage of it in action. However, there are only two camcorders in our possession and both of them aren’t good as we predicted. The better one has very limited amount of storage.

• Seriously, we don’t accept any kind of donations from users.

• The decision not to support HD 4800 series is political. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a nice guy and I’d like to reward our users. However, even nice guys like me have websites to run. We have tried to obtain HD 4800 cards - but availability is too poor in our region. Anyway, every time a manufacturer launches a new product, he’s providing the press with some review samples. Most of the times, we just borrow it for a week or two, we don't care about it.

• Manufacturers aren’t providing us with any option to purchase cards and it’s impossible to find it in stores before the official launch. Recently, some manufacturers like AMD are providing 3-5 sites with ten samples and leaving the others in the dark. Therefore, we are forced to play these political games to keep our site alive. As Joe Pesci once said, running a terrorist’s organization isn’t cheap these days. You have to understand that these samples are like bread and water for us.

• Apologizes for the grammar mistakes, I haven’t slept much recently.

• Please do not fight on the forums, we have a lot of work that needs to be done and it’s not the right time to play kindergarten teacher.

Anyways when it's was released it was alredy an bottleneck.The only thing who do an PPU it's decrease the performances.

well said "rege" i understand there could be legal issues and I dont blame you for waiting to get the go ahead from your legal team. As for compatability issues I guess the best way to see what works and what doesnt would be to release it and wait to see the type of feedback from the users. Everyone should uderstand that they use the software at their own risk. !!!

Keep up the good work...

I would really like someone to stick it to NVIDIA and release drivers that allow SLI on Intel chipsets. Isn't it just a flag that checks the chipset to see if it's on the "o.k." list and proceeds to install?

Keep on ur work Rege, it is good to hear about progress and plans as u say so :-) Community will surely be thankfully to u, me in 120% ;-)

Good to hear regen, I know you´ll do youre best and all. I have a suggestion, contact AMD directly and ask for the newest gen card (770) and tell them that they will benefit from PhysX compatiblity. It will sell more cards for them as ppl are not restricted to choose Nvidia cards just for Physx? If you put it that way, and dont play political games they might just give you 1-2 cards. Youre site is a resptected one, if you act respectfully against ATI/AMD they might listen?? Its for their benefit and ours, and yours??? Hopefully a future 4850 physx user thanks you for youre efforts?

Ps. If you dont want to talk to amd for legal reasons (what ever there might be), ill be happy to pass it on to them?? Maybe if they just knew they would? We all know how AMD/ATI can be when it comes to customer contacts?

The SLI technology is basically based on software and technically it should run on every chipset with enough bandwidth and two PEG slots. Nvidia limits it to the nForce chipset due to the lack of competitors in the graphics market.

I already contacted AMD PR team and I expect to hear from them on Monday. I already informed them we will do our best - with or without them. I will try to speak with their sales department and ask for a permission to purchase small amount of units before they launch products to avoid this kind of issue in the future.

I would like somebody to stick it to everyone and make both SLI/Crossfire interchangeable on all motherboards, be it NForce, AMD or Intel.

i seriously hope You continue with this project ... no matter about 'clashes' with corporation giants ... if You need money or hw You may try ask for dontions community
users need ability to run physics on any hardware and until OpenCL or other opensource wide adoped standard emerge this is way ...
i'm pretty sure CUDA SDK combined with FireStream SDK may allow to run PhysX on any HD2xxx, 3xxx and 4xxx card ...
ofc each generation and subtype only to certain degree (depends on free GPU resources available)
also i hope that You reconsider the approach at some stage and open this project (ideally fully open source) that way anyone who is able may help to improve

I'll be really interested to see what they say....I think you're barking up the wrong tree looking for support from them. While the Ati community would love you to do this ATI/AMD have already said they are not at this time going to utilize cuda/physx. It's just a political game...they don't want to lend support to Nvidias physx platform...if they did I'm sure like you they have the technical capability to do so themselves.....If you are talking about legal actions I'd be instructing my solicitor to look towards what may come from the AMD side of things rather than Nvidia.

lmao! this guy rule

Yes..but it seemed like the only solution....I was trying to source the pci express version that Asus made called the P1E but that appears to only be available from newegg.com in USA and don't ship to the UK...

i see in the message the future 4800 cards will not be supported... i bought two radeon x1950pros the day before the next gen card announce.... any chance this could work with them?

Thx for youre reply Regen, I hope it works. But as technogiant wrote, it propably wont get you far?! But hopefully he is wrong, and hopefully ATI can get their heads out of their asses and think forward instead of backwards.. They just need to forget about the "Battle" with Nvidia and just take all the help they can get from ppl like you and others. But as we all know, that will be hard for them to do. ATI are the same way as Creative, DanielK should have been offered a job from Creative, instead he was threatened by lawyers?? What a crazy greedy world we live in. The funny thing is, ATI could win so many customers with this, if they just would stop being so proud and just accept the help!?

Corporations like Creative Labs and ATI see things differently. It is easy for us to judge them, but we would react like them, if we sat in their chair. I’d be pissed if someone sat in my own forums and messed with my marketing plans; I’d kick his butt rather than offering him a job.

I can say the same about me, but I’m not working like Daniel_K. The guy is sitting in their forums and provoking them, I’m not surprised they are angry about him; the guy is lucky getting away with it without any lawsuit. However, I can confirm that ATI never sent us legal threats.

What I am wondering together with a few others I've read of in this thread, is why AMD/ATi would make an exception for you?
They do *probably* have the same technical possibilities. *Probably* don't want to be associated with leaked drivers so why would they help you in the first place?
In my eyes they have it all ready to work for them already, but again, it's a political game.

What's the reason you would excel, and gain access, be allowed, to do what hasn't been done yet but could *probably* have been done already?

-> Thoughts

I do really appreciate your hard work and am quite amazed by such quality of work, also. If you would achieve anything special (by that I mean something AMD/ATi credits you for, so to say) I give you a great personal applause beforehand!

Can I ask where you guys are? Since, there is a lack of availbility of 4870 cards in your area.

Kudo's...Keep up the Good fight!

Instead of inviting spambots by posting your email here, you can try to enroll to our Beta Test Program, but it requires NDA (Non-disclosure agreement).

Thank you Rege. I don't know there is a beta program. Sorry. I subscribe your beta test program.
matteo

Has tried to come under reference Beta Test Program, has left there the co-ordinates (though they at you were), only has not found there the agreement on nondisclosure

Higgajawah?

look like a babelfish translation haha.

Regeneration

Hi Regen I see you are hard at work. I would like to know if you have gotten the green light, If so have you thought about a release date for us yet?

Spyral ... Read that the posts. if he had gotten a green light I bet he would have told us. and why should he give us a release date ? just so he can change it and make us feel like we are waiting longer.. if he releases it he releases it.

at least show us a video of it working :!

hi i have tried to sign up for the beta testing but heard nothing any idea what i should do?

This post was "stickied" it's not anymore.....Is someone hoping it will sink into obscurity?

I hope things are still good to go

SickCow

No need to get Agro!

Hi Guys,

We received all your applications to the beta program. You will be notified as soon as a beta is available. We were very pleased to see so many applications.

At this stage, we are in dialogs with Nvidia, AMD and some of their partners regarding this project. We are trying to address the HD 4800 access issue due to the large numbers of complains by users. In addition, for unknown interests Nvidia wants us to remove ForceWare from our site. They claim it’s because they want to protect their IP but since so many websites are allowed to host ForceWare, I doubt it.

As soon as we receive new information, we will update you here or in the front page. You should know that I'm doing my best on this project.

Cheers,

Thanks so much Regen. You are an asset to this community. If you have trouble getting 4800 series cards, start up a donation system through paypal. I would certainly contribute as I am sure many others would.

Money is not the issue here.

i'm in for beta testing.. hehe.... 3850 user here..

thanks for keeping us posted regeneration
hope this all goes to plan and keep up the good work

Regeneration

Thank you so much for the work you're doing to make Radeons compatible with GPU PhysX. The only reason made me upgrade to GeForce 8800 GT instead of Radeon 3870 was PhysX support in future...

I do like Radeon family and do NOT like GeForce. So it's really sad there won't be PhysX support for HD 4870. But thanks anyway - I hope someday I'll be able to use PhysX on Radeon somehow

Radeon family fan from Russia

Regen

Thank you for the update keep up the good work

Regen is like god right now to all ati 3800 series cards ..

love your work. i hope you decide to share this publicly.

was aiming for this card (hd3850).
now waiting for you to go ahead

You're using the newer ATI GPUs. Will it work with the older ones? I'm running a 3650 in this computer.

how download this product ??? link please

Really nice work
One question, will it matter if sign up for the beta program when I only have a Radeon 9700Pro. My guess is it's not supported is it?
Ah well the best of luck with the project!
And keep up the good work

Thank you Regen! I'm excited about the possibility of using this on my 3870 card!

can we expect a release soon ?

something like 1 or 2 weeks ?

I have been looking at the drivers ever since they were released and saw this coming, its great to see that you got physX working now that ATI has dropped Havok on their GPU's for a while now.

I'm waiting to test this on my HD3850 and HD3850X2

U know this really bothers me......how people who can not do it themselves sit around and rag on the guy who is doing it for us!! he doesn't get paid .....but he is kind enough to share it or share his findings. HE IS NOT ON A TIME SCHEDULE!! and he is not ATI to support you..... so please try to keep that in mind when posting....I'm sure it will be done when it is done. If it is not done until after Havok so be it , it will not become anyless interesting or useful then.

We have published some updates on the front page regarding to this project.

I have a 3870 will these be supported? So this will only improve game performance that use physx right?

I JUST FOUND OUT I HAVE AIDS!!!!11!!1
CAN I BETA TEST BEFORE I DIE????//??/

Just so we're clear, I apologize, The inner skeptic, disappointed by all the bullcrap hardware makers tout has been proved wrong. THANK YOU for this refreshing bit of usefulness

-0mega/FadedSpark

Shit I have a HD 4870

Are you closer to releasing any driver or is this just fake?, if you are working on it, make it a public beta!!!

The guy seem's honest and genuine to me...but I also understand the sceptics.... 3 weeks since this was announced....no video as was promised...no public beta...just a possible photoshop fraud....still he's getting lots of hits on his web site....but perhaps that was the reason for it....
.
No...I thinks it's genuine but I can see where doubts creep in.

First, all apologize for my horrible english... I'm french

Since the year 2006 and the ATI physic's rendering Demo's, I'm waiting hopefully for a physic support anyway.

I think that Regeneration can be the right way for my dream coming true.

I'm ready to help you if you need Beta tester : I possess actually a HD2900XT and my hd4850 CF is coming soon.

I applied to be a tester, got no response though, is this driver gonna be released soon??

Any progress on this Rege

yea its gone very quiet

Read the other thread!
http://www.ngohq.com/news/14254-phys...on-update.html

He just got back from a "sick leave" and said he'll be posting update today/tomorrow! Holding fingers crossed

This thread need to be locked or redirected to the update.

Does this mod, require two 3850 or can this be enabled on a single. In other words can my card do Physx + Graphics at the same time. Its unclear from your screen shot. Thankyou, Im looking forward to this mod.

Just posted in this one to keep the topic live...now that Nvidia have released their physx drivers can you give some indication of what is happening with this topic Rege....I don't think we've heard from you about it since 1st Aug.

Agree! Would be real nice to know the status of this project.
Hopefully now that nVidia published all that it's got, no more restraints..?

Yes, I have no hurry to get working drivers, but I'd very much like to hear whats happening. Is hd4k series supported etc..

Thanks.

Hello,

I have been following this subject since the beginning, but, up until now, decided not to comment on it.

I think the announcement is false, the screenshot fake, and this whole charade just an empty publicity stunt used to lure open-minded visitors to this ad-supported website.

Yes, Eran "Regeneration" Badit has consequently joined the NVIDIA Registered Developer Program, but no, this is neither a very exclusive group, nor does it mean that he has been employed by NVIDIA, as it has even been interpreted.

Considering his previous projects, his programming skills don't seem to exceed scripting languages (BAT, INF files, etc.) and repackaging others' programs into custom installers, so why should he suddenly be able to write complex kernel drivers all by himself?

You may disagree with my assumption, and although I'd actually prefer to be proven wrong, this striking lack of substantial evidence should provoke skepticism.

Well to be honest i dont think any kind of attack on Rege , will lure him out with update.

So Nick0 so if You know him that "good" , you shuld not try it , or did you just want to put off some steam ?

I'm sad to say but I think Nick0 is right and is just expressing what many of us have been thinking for a while now but have not said for two reasons.

Firstly many people are understandably just plain hopeful that this will be done.

Secondly people are afraid that if they make negative comments Rege will not post as let's face it he's been threatening not to because of his relationship with AMD from the start. Personally I think this was part of his cunning plan from the beginning to stifle criticism and thus allow this charade to run for longer and ultimately to give himself an out for not coming up with the goods.

Well I like wise have been following this from the start...almost two months now and think its time to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We have had nothing but unfulfilled promises and excuses from Rege.

quote
"Posted by Regeneration on June 26th, 2008, 05:51 PM
Hey! We are still planning to make some cool video clip, patience guys! It takes time and some issues to solve first"

So where are those video's Rege?

quote
"Posted by Regeneration on August 1st, 2008, 05:10 PM
I've been asked by a few sources to delay Update #2 for several days."

So we are now several weeks on and no update?

Rege encouraged people to register with the sites beta testing list....I and many others did.....but I have received nothing to beta test?

If this is as Nick0 has suggested nothing but a fake to raise the profile of this site to entice advetising revenue then it is a disgrace to have raised the hopes and wasted the time of so many people...and I do note a distinct lack of advertising on this site and the link at the top of the page "advertise with us".

Well Rege if this was your intention your site has gone to the top of my list.....OF SITES TO BE AVOIDED.(and to be honest I wont miss out as much of your news content appears to be rehashes from respected web sites who actually carry adverts from the big players)

I just wonder how many new registrations this site has received in the past two months since this was announced. That ought to help with the ad revenues, eh?

it will support 2900xt? i want to buy a 4870 and with this drivers i will put my 2900xt for physx if this is PhotoShop i will get a 8500gt and a 4850