Ok guys, feel free to spread it everywhere.

Sounds like a plan sign me up

Why pay for an game for the MP mode if you alredy paid the game ! JUST IDIOT

Where i can sign ! And said to BILL NO WAYS!

i'm going to promote this everywhere i can !

never played on that crap never will and hell if i will ever pay for that! my boycott is a constant.

same for me, never have nor will play live, and ill sure as hell never pay to multiplay

already stated out that is nonsense to pay for online gameing when you paid a lot for the game itself... i am curious what we have to pay in future... every login? every game-startup (that would be great for m$)

Next thing they'll be charging for monthly fees for singleplayer if the boycott isn't serious enough.

i'm in, and i'll pass this on to my other windows gamers. I spent money on a PC not a console, so that i wouldn't have to be treated like a joypad-bearing n00b.

I bought a copy of Gears of War for the PC, and returned it the next day when i found out i had to SIGN UP TO WINDOWS LIVE JUST TO SAVE MY SINGLE PLAYER GAME!!!

wtf? anyways, count me in

sign me up... what a bunch full of bulls**t!!!!

Without even knowing these details I would have stayed away from it, but now I'm on board wholeheartedly...

Greed of the monopoly big one is getting bigger and bigger .

hi guys came across this boycott from Paul Thurrot's Blog, and i can't express how much i hate GFW - LIVE, and want to thank you for steppin up against Microsoft

Let the boycott begin!!!!

I've removed Mass Effect and BioWare from the list. Mass Effect PC is not a GFW Live title.

your completly missing the point m8, but theres really no point in trying to explain it to you, but all in all paying for live is like paying for msn, people like you are the reason this crap continues, but please by all means go give them more of your money like a good little sheep

if you actually paid attention what the pc portion of live allows you will know it will not prevent you from playing your pc games online... like you normally with the games that doesnt use the live platform...

for the pc what you are paing for is the other extras that comes with it

Membership Levels

Silver Membership FeaturesGold Membership Features*Cost = FreeCost = $49.95 U.S. /year unless you’re a current Xbox Live Gold member which gives you automatic access to Gold features on Games for Windows – LIVE titlesSingle GamertagAll Silver membership featuresCommon gamer profileMultiplayer matchmaking with friendsCommon gamerscoreTrueSkill™ matchmakingSingle player achievementsMultiplayer achievementsPrivate chat via text and voiceCross-platform gameplayCommon friends list and online presencePC only multiplayer including browsing a list of active PC games

notice pc only multiplayer is on the side of the silver account..

oh and if your a xbox 360 user with a gold account, it will also be good for the pc games also.. so you dont need to buy another live account for the pc

maybe you should get the facts before you start a boycott,

opps didnt fornmat correctly the link to the page is here

wow your paying for a bunch of usless bs, are you incapable of making friends on your own? msn provies all the chat capabilities i need

its sad how fast you are to back a company that only wants your money and is sellign you useless features that are so bloody pointless its not even funny

and through all this you ignore the rest, the fact that theyre boycotting 200 countries from their great 'serivce' the fact that they are price gouging consumers for every produt they sell

this isnt just about live, but youve so missed the point that me writing all of this is a waste of time really

your missing the point... the main important feature in which the boycott is esentially about is free.. you can still play your pc games online with other people on the pc like you always did... none of the features that you would need to pay for a subscription are more of secondary benefits of a paid subscription, ie better matchmaking services and other perks like cross platform multiplayer... that means pc <-> 360 games. and you could still use your free methods for comunication.. ie msn etc...

if you dont want to pay for a subscription thats all fine and dandy, you will still be able to enjoy the pc games in the way you always did in the past,,

We are aware about the "Written Live Silver policy", but it’s almost not functional at all. What the point in having a free account if there are no free servers? I tried all the games in the list, and I couldn’t play in most (If not all) of them. The last title I tried was Kane and Lynch, and I couldn’t play its MP part at all, and the game browser is very poor. Microsoft can write whatever they want on their site, but in reality the free Silver account is totally useless. If you REALLY wish to play, you need gold account.

Yes, Microsoft is behind Live, but nobody forces developers/publishers to use it. This boycott is being aimed at publishers/developers, and these examples are very good examples for the poor treatment consumers are receiving from them. These publishers/developers have no respect to consumers.

its probably likly that people who runs those servers set it up in that way... because there is a option to only allow gold members join... its just like in 360 some people prefer to play uno with people who has the vision cam..

so really your issues is not really microsofts fault... it is its users who prefers to only play with gold members

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Yes, Microsoft is behind Live, but nobody forces [COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana, tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT=verdana, tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]developers[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR]/publishers to use it. This boycott is being aimed at publishers/developers, and these examples are very good examples for the poor treatment consumers are receiving from them. These publishers/developers have no respect to consumers.

Which is exactly why I said:



Boycotting Live because of the way developers and publishers are treating the consumer is just stupid. Boycott them for those reasons already stated above. GG.

These reasons are indeed bad for consumers, but these are not critical issues like Live. Yes, now the list of titles is small, but it will change in the future. We want to prevent Live from becoming a standard

Option or not, that's not a reason. Consumers buy these games, and they should be able to play these games FULLY.

Live (Xbox/Windows) should be totally FREE.

Let’s take the Xbox for example: In the US it’s pretty cheap, but around the world the price can reach to $1000 USD and more. So if I want to use Xbox online, I have to buy the console and games ($100 USD per new titles). After I spent around to $1000, why the hell should I pay additional fees for Live? That’s totally unfair. Oh wait, I can’t even pay! Live is UNAVAILABLE in my country, so I can forget about Xbox Live.

Soon I won’t be able to play on my PC too. Unranked, Ranked, Automatch, Gold, Silver, White, Black, it doesn’t matter. This is the fact: If you want to have FULL online capabilities, you have to buy GOLD! And that’s wrong. When I buy a game, I'm paying for both SP and MP, and I don't want to see any kind of Silver/Gold/Red in it. 100% functionality for all.

I don’t know what’s going on in the US, maybe you guys just like to pull out your credit cards and pay for no reasons - but we don’t like it. but since you guys like LIVE so much, let's make a deal! Let's limit Live only for the US, and introduce FREE service to rest of the world?

ROFL!! I'm laughing so hard it hurts. Rege, it's not even April 1st yet!! LOL!!!

So, what am I laughing about?

It seems that, if ANYTHING costs any money at all, you're against it. Period! But, I've had Halo 2 and Shadowrun since last summer and never bothered even using the Free Gold Card account INCLUDED in the boxes until only a couple of weeks ago. And, using the FREE Silver Account, I've been able to play the games just fine!! PC-PC gamers are NOT prevented from playing with the FREE Silver Account. Whatsoever! Setting up servers doesn't cost anything, either!

This isn't to say that Windows Live! is perfect. But, neither is Steam!

Now, how many remember how godawful STEAM was when it first came out? I HATED Steam and most everyone else did, too! But, it's come a long way since its inception and people now are raving about how STEAM works. And, yes, the games can be played for free once they've been PURCHASED. But, you see, the problem here on NGOHQ is that NO ONE wants to even BUY the games themselves!! So, not only do you not want to PAY for the games, you don't even want to have to pay any money to be able to play them LEGITIMATELY!

So, anyway, while you're all boycotting Windows Live! because of the stated 'excuses' mentioned above, I'll continue to enjoy my gaming experience whether it's with Windows Live!, Steam, or otherwise.

Carry on. You made my day!! ROFL!!!

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Personaly im anti-console . Give me an console and i will destroy it ! But if they start to make subscriptions for PC games... is just hilarious.The games are really overpriced ! Here is about 50 to 70 $ CAD An new game . SO WHAT THE HELL WE NEED TO PAY FOR MP MODE! Give me an reason for pay and maybe i will be more interested . AND don't tell is for the manutention of servers ! ... im get pissed of of this reason.AND CHECK THIS OUT !They will give an price for the updates and said oh for fix the bugs and we need programers and we need to pay thoses programers ... so pay the fixes and you will get better performance!

I signed up on these forums/site just because of this boycott. I love you guys <3

Good post Bro but living in the USA you may have missed one of the key points

This has nothing to do with that. Steam is not asking us to pay for the "service" or anything, you just buy a game and that's it. Microsoft wants us to pay for imaginary services. Of course its easy for you to say, I'm sure the US is great. What about Russia and China? even if they want to pay, they can't.

Yet again, the FREE Silver service is very limited, not working in most of the games, and if it's working for you, it doesn't mean its working for everyone else.

Just to show you how wrong you are, I’ve downloaded The Club from Steam and made a small video for you to watch (and learn!). The Club’s price on Amazon is $47, and in my country is around to $60. Oh, and yeah, XviD is required for the video.

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Live.avi (4.86 MB, 744 views)

And, the entire original post completely ignores THIS Official Statement from the XBOX Live! About page... Well, here's the entire list and I've HIGHLIGHTED the part that apparently has been missed/ignored, or whatever:

"Countries with LIVE Service
Published May 9, 2007
Xbox LIVE® and Games for Windows LIVE comprise the first and most comprehensive online entertainment network, uniting gamers on Xbox 360™ and select Games for Windows titles. LIVE connects millions of members across 25 countries, making it easy for gamers to find friends, games, and entertainment regardless of their preferred platform. With LIVE, members receive rich presence information about their friends, they can easily communicate with each other, and they can track their gaming achievements and their Gamerscore.
Below is the list of countries where the LIVE service is supported. Game features that require the LIVE service are only available in these countries. If your country is not on the list, please check back with us soon—we expand our services frequently and may be coming to your country in the near future.

• Australia: International English
• Austria: German
• Belgium: Dutch, French
• Canada: English, French
• Denmark: Danish
• Finland: Finnish, Swedish
• France: French
• Germany: German
• Hong Kong: Traditional Chinese, English
• India: English
• Ireland: International English
• Italy: Italian
• Japan: Japanese
• Korea: Korean
• Mexico: Spanish
• Netherlands: Dutch
• New Zealand: International English
• Norway: Norwegian
• Portugal: Portuguese
• Singapore: International English
• Spain: Spanish
• Sweden: Swedish
• Switzerland: German, French, Italian
• Taiwan: Traditional Chinese
• United Kingdom: International English
• United States: English

Log on with your Gamertag today, or click here to create your free gamer profile!"

_______________________________________

Now, here's the rub: Has anyone actually thought to ask Microsoft just WHY these other countries are not presently on this list? I'd be willing to wager that 'they' don't really care. The real reason for this entire 'boycott' is just to grab attention.

Well, that's about it from this end of the world. Back to Halo 2......

lol. "Posted on May 9, 2007", That's like a year ago and still no changes. Try to sign into Xbox live and check it out yourself, you will see only 26 countries.

One year without any changes means: "We expand our services frequently" is a lie. If a service like Steam offers international support, then Live should be able to offer the same.

Try to sign to Live now, you will see 26 countries in the list. I know that, because I checked it two days ago. Our source for information is not what Microsoft said, but by checking out ourselves.

I called Microsoft and asked them about it, but I never heard from them/him. If you want to argue, come up with facts, not fanboy theories.

The entire idea for this boycott is to create awareness. Since Microsoft wants to make Live into a global standard and collect additional fees for nothing. That’s not okay, but somehow “tolerable”, but the fact this service is only available to 26 countries out of 257 is making it to unaccepted. Don’t be selfish. We are not speaking about game’s prices or pirated games; we are speaking about legitimate users and the poor Live service.

If you don’t agree with the primary reason (Silver/Gold saga), that’s fine. But coming here and trashing about this boycott, is very-very selfish. You don’t agree, fine! Don’t trash it. Gamers from 231 countries are UNABLE to use Xbox Live or Windows Live.

I’m very disappointed with all these comments. If someone from Microsoft/Developer/Publisher is coming to read these comments, and see that you don’t care paying fees for nothing, and you don’t care that your friends are unable to sign up, I doubt they will even care.

You should support your friends from far away, and not to be selfish. If this is what most of the people think, then I hope they will remove the Silver account, increase the fees by 1000% and treat you like shit, because that’s what you deserve. If you’re acting like that, don’t be surprised if will happen.

We are talking about MICROSOFT. Now, do some thinking. Do you really think that if Microsoft could put Windows LIVE! into every nook and cranny of the globe that they would NOT do it?? There are valid reasons for certain things not being done the way you think they should be. There's licensing, permits, not even to mention Internet connectivity.

I'm no 'fanboy' of Microsoft. But, all I read here on this site is how 'evil' Microsoft is all the time. It doesn't matter if they do good or bad, they get the shaft from this site no matter what.

I really don't care if you're disappointed in my comments. I don't have to support a silly non-issue boycott. But, all the others who are falling in line to sign up, more power to them. At least there are a few others who also disagree like I do. If you think people should only post if they agree, then YOU'RE the one who's selfish.

Microsoft has created there market share using monopolistic techniques to limit the market. They are also forcing other companies out of business or buying them out. MS is limiting Live for the same reason they probably know how to fix Vista but won't. They limit and force the market share and thats that. They own it and you !!

As for us not buying things ya know what the only thing I have here I haven't paid for is the audio card I won. Dyre on NGOHQ.com we don't have to kiss someones ass to get somewhere like another board I know of. So if you want talk about selfish why don't you look there and don't send me anymore fucking PM's when things aren't rosy there ... look where you are yourself before you criticize others ....

the best part of that game and the live support for it, is uninstalling it

Ive decided to remove some posts because they were rude or dissrespectful, i applogise, we all know when ideal's let loose there is often little pleasentries, regardless i do appologise, its all been said by rege already anyways

I'm in! Won't buy any MS crap no more!
You guys think this will work?

Only if this boycott will get enough support, then we could call publishers and ask them to avoid Live.

Microsoft launched Live in November 2002. As a webmaster, I can tell you it is possible to come with an international support in a month or less - not six years. Silly boycott? The fact most of the world population is unable to use it, even countries like Russia and 230 others, is not silly at all.

my homecountry (Poland) isnt even on there and its population is 5million greater then Canada

I find it incredibly appalling that anyone would defend microsoft's policies.

im with you on that Unix

im sorry but there are people out there that prefers to play with certain people, i guess they see gold members as the type of people they want to play with..

i was on alot of games on the 360 and i seen alotr of people being removed from the game because they didnt have the vision cam or even the headset hooked up to the controller... its really a matter of personal preference... it sucks i know... but its a fact of life..

if you want to play these games then maybe you should look into running your own servers and then you can run them as you see fit.. as it is the only solution to the not enough free servers problem...

and as of live not being everywhere..

for one thing...

comparing this to a service like steam it isnt the same... steam is a content delivery system and also required to run games like half-life 2, its kinda obvious why its available everywhere.. and technically steams been around before live even started (hell even before xbox 1 first came out)

It takes time to get the infrastructure for live to be set up for a country, it definatly doesnt happen overnight... FYI Live wasnt even available for canada right away... when it first launched...

there is alot of things to be in place before live can be launched in a area.. server farms need to be built especially when microsoft wants the experience to be enjoyable in that area,,, and microsoft wont launch a service for a area in the world when the infrastructure isnt there to support it...
and another thing there is a possible issue with the governments of those areas... to let you know not all governments are keen on having services from other countries... let me remind you a country is doing what they can to prevent its population from accessing youtube...

and another thing to let you know live isnt exactly available everywhere in na either,,,

you know why?

Because live requires broadband internet.... and unfortunatly broadband internet is not available in some areas of NA.

Should we boycott broadband because its not available everywhere? because your silly boycott seems to imply that we should...

a webmaster? webmasters mainly deal with managing websites..
You forget though that webmasters dont really deal with the hardware side of things.. thats usually someone elses responsibility...

getting live service to a country is more complicated then running a webpage

gotta lovep people with the wool pulled so far over their eyes

lol you think its rocket science or something? if msn can be available anywhere so can live, its as simple as havign a server conected to the rest of the live network and alowing people from that area to conect

are you a microsoft employee or soemthing? because its getting a little sad

As I said before (what happened to the other thread where I made my marvel-esque rallying cry for "all PC gamers to unite"??)

NO F****ING WAY MICROSOFT - CRAM IT UP YOUR A** AND EAT S**T - YOU'RE RICH ENOUGH ALREADY!

- I strongly vote for a boycott - "JOIN ME MY FELLOW GAMERS!!! UNITE AS...ah what's the use ...?

JUST SIGN ME UP!

you shoudl rename yourself to just blind...
or blind as a bat

if you understood what goes into creating services like these you would know why it isnt so easy as regeneration thinks it should be..

running a service like live isnt as easy as running a web page... services need certain things to be put in place to work,,, ie infrastucture, buildings on which the server farms will be based in... and dont forget things have to be worked out with the government of that country... and that could take a long time to happen if it does...

this is far beyond what a "webmaster" would be required to do... webmasters manage websites..

i am pretty sure microsoft does intend to get live to everyone in the world but this is a major task that will take a considerable amount of time to accomplish..

oph and msn is small potatoes compared to live... so it really is no comparison, most of msn is software based and since the data packets recieved is small compared to what live does

lo buddy, i have degrees in web development, programing and business, what do you got? did mumzy and dadzy buy you an xbox for christmas?

seriously if you dont think that microsoft has the resoruces to go worldwide with live virtually over night then yoru a bloody fool

keep blowin it out your ass man

oh give yourself a pat on the back, but honestly you are an idiot
what you think microsoft could snap a finger and have the infrastructure necessary for the service to run to appear out of thin air?
what do you think they are wizards?
thing is in theory yes they should be able to launch worldwide... but in reality it doesnt work that way..

im pretty sure if microsoft could launch the service worldwide they would of done so..
even if microsoft has the resorces to do it, its not possible to do things like this overnight..

Stop living in your Dream world and start living in the real world

Ive decided to remove some posts because they were rude or dissrespectful, i applogise, we all know when ideal's let loose there is often little pleasentries, regardless i do appologise

My dear Lazymutant, allow me to welcome you to the forum et all. I appreciate that someone has to be on the other side of the argument but your efforts to defend what can only be described as Microsoft's avaristic, cash-mongering, never ending thirst to rip that last dollar out of a dying man's clenched fist is truly laughable...

...I mean get real? Microsoft just wants to rip another $100,000,000 out of our pockets and you want us to just stand there and take it? Practically all of us own Microsoft products anyway and they have billions and billions of dollars in the bank already so why do they suddenly need to start charging me (a happy online gamer for many years thank you very much) who already pays separately for my internet connection anyway even more money to continue to do what I have already been doing for years now?...I'll tell you, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GREEDY B*ST*RDS! WAKE UP AND GET REAL!

OK BUT GUYS ... WE'RE OFF TOPIC ... STOP FLAMING EACH OTHERS... we're on this thread for 1 thing... the boycott of microsoft LIVE ... IF YOU'RE NOT INTEREST ABOUT THIS. GO OUT or said your word about this without do flaming on the ideas of each others... but for the ppl who want this ... stay and say your word.

if i recall india was added to the list sometime in 2007 and microsoft is expecting brazil to be added sometime this year..

and no they cant snap their fingers to make server farms appear overnight... and although they do have server farms all over the world the server farms resonsible for live is separate from the server farms they do have...

Ok here is how it works, they want to make a server farm over night in country x, they find a stuitable location and buy/lease it, they call up the local isp and say they will pay them x ammout for next day service, at the same time they contact a contractor and do the same, the next day the isp and contracor comes in and lays landlines, raised flooring and runs an airconditiong system, mean while they've already have servers on a plane on the way to country x along with technicians to set it up, its not hard to do if you got the cash

Guys did alredy you thinked others country have laws and regulations .. can be because of that live is not in all the country of the entire world

asside from warlord controlled countries what laws would any country have to prohibit an online gaming service?

no one is forcing you to pay for live,, you can play the games without paying for a gold membership for free... if they were forcing you then i would understand but they are not..

and as of not enough free servers, well that sucks but hey its not microsofts fault that most of its users only want to play with gold members

look when live was first annoucned for xbox i gawked at the need to pay for service (let me remind you live didnt come with a free option until the 360) and i thought to myself i would never sign up, why pay for something that should be free..

But then the 360 came and i initially signed up for the silver account for free so i can access the marketplace... it came with a free month of gold... i used it and well my reservations concerning xbox live was gone... i now understand why microsoft is doing what they are doing... the gold membership offers things that just wasnt present in multiplayer gaming before, ie Trueskill matchmaking,(it matches you with people in your skill range) and also allows you to avoid those who you dont want to play with...

i guess until you try it you wouldn't understand what the gold membership really has to offer..

havent you been in a game with someone who doesnt play fair either by cheating, spawn camping etc... people like those can ruin the experience for some users... xbox live allows you to avoid those players in the future so you dont need to deal with them again

Ive decided to remove some posts because they were rude or dissrespectful, i applogise, we all know when ideal's let loose there is often little pleasentries, regardless i do appologise, its all been said by rege already anyways

Anyways it's an choice of life... guys is like cigarette ... you smoke or not so if people want to pay for gold subscribtions ... let's them do that and if they don't want they just dont want!

there is no list on which countries unfrotunatly but we do know there are countries who isnt to keen on services coming from other countries..... hell even a country(forget which one) prevents its population from accessing youtube

that is just a conspiracy theory... the developers would not leave people who wants to play for free in the cold... microsoft cant force them to...

China block somes websites of others country because of their point of view and what they are saying and the liberty expression Keep that in mind

but you know thats what their trying to do man, problem with conspiracy theories is that they are often true

Microsoft is a monoppolystic conglomerate that since its beging has tried to do nothing but control and take over everything they dip their fingers in, how long untill they start paying developers to only have live support? how long till more and more developers get on the band wagon because they make a nice chunch of change because of it?

It is inevitable, we all know microsoft, their ethics and busienss practices, and i dont think anyone can truthfully deny that this is their ultimate goal

That's not new companies pay publishers and devlopers for ameliorate something or increment something... Take an look with nvidia The most simple exemple!

are you aware every company is like that in some way.... they do whatever they can do to increase their own profit..
who can blame them really its business... and i bet if you spent a couple months working for one of these companies you would understand that...

if this boycott is more because of microsofts monopolystic actions then maybe you should instead boycott all companies... because microsoft is just doing what other companies would do... to do what they can to be the most sucessful business....

the difference is most companies promote their product and try to convince you its better then the rest, but m$ tries to make it so you dont have a choice

hers the thing there is no competing service... so its really easy to look at microsoft in that way...

its not just live thats in question, but no for consoles no there isnt, its pretty platform specific, which is why i would never buy one (except i want a wii it looks like fun), but pc has always been free, and since everything runs on windows they seem to be trying to change that

i really wish they'd get linux up to speed so there was a viable alternative to windows

unix why havent you gotten it working right yet? :P

to me linux needs to be more user friendly.. which in its state it isnt.. not unless you know every command necessary, you definatly need to know what your doing with linux... one wrong move and you could be finding yourself rebuilding the computer..

its not even the user friendliness that deters me, its the small software base and limited compatability, no one really makes games for linux and i need a wide range of software for what i do which isnt available for linux (atleast not any professional stuff), even with Wine you run into tons of bugs, poor perfroemence, maybe one day they'll get it right but sadly i doubt it

to me thats user friendlyness is the main issue.. linux is not for everyone, most people want something easy to use. hence why more people use windows or a mac.. comapnies are more likly to support the platforms that are more widly used... and unfortunatly for linux means that linux wont get alot of developer support... as all businesses main goal is to make money, and some developers just feel that there isnt enough money in developing for linux to make it worth while..

now if everyone were to suddenly stop using windows and start using linux than things would likly change.. but that would take a miracle..

well user friendliness wise linux has come quite a long way, but they cant make people developer software and games for it, and therein lies the problem, atleast for me, i need to be able to have the tools i need when i need them and i need to be able to do what i need to when i need to, gaming or otherwise

oh it wont force them to but if alot of people(and for that to happen linux needs to be more user friendly, it needs to be as easy as windows) were to move to linux it could be enough to convince them to start supporting linux at least...

Why do you think hd-dvd lost the hi def war? its not because sony payed some big bucks to get some movie studios to back blu ray exclusivly... its because we the consumers voted for the winner via the wallet.. the bluray player/movie sales out numberd hd-dvd sales by a huge amount...

Companies will ultimatly support what potentially would make them the most money..

well blu-ray was technically supperior to hd-dvd in every way so im not suprised it won, it had greater capacity and durability

really with the linux gui its not that much dissimilar from windows, just different methods of doing things, though the avrage consumer doesnt even know of its existence, linux could be a sucsess but it would need to support all windows applications flawlessly or gain so much popularity that companies would start developing for it, neither of which i think will ever happen

that is a sad truth im afraid... people are so used to the way things are now... and in some way may be scared of change

There is a reason there is no competing service as MS is a monopoly. What Linux developer did MS buy out promising an open source platform that was supposed to be Vista ? How many running mates did Hitler have as leader during his time in Germany ?

MS has no competition because they made sure they have none just like Al Capone. You don't choose MS or choose to defend them Bro as you type these posts they are sitting in there offices laughing and pointing that one of there consumer gerbils are defending them. They don't care about you the OWN you ........

What other way is there to look at it .... honestly ?

moicrosoft is not a monopoly when it comes to operating systems... there is os X in macintosh, and even linux is a operating system, microsoft windows will only be a monopoly when its the only choice you have for a operating system..

and as of live yes that is technically a monopoly and until another company comes up with a better service thats the way it will remain..
and honestly microsoft cant do anything about it if sony or nintendo hell even apple should decide to make their live-type service..

Driver and Software support to OS X and Linux are limited because MS has that monopoly. What choice do you really have right now man ?

On Live becoming a monopoly thats what we are trying to avoid with this boycott this isn't for NGOHQ.com it is for the billions of consumers like yourself all over the globe to give them THAT choice before MS has a stranglehold like they do on OS's ...

Understand my point ? Not trying to be a prick or anything but I call em as I see em and thats how myself and many others see it.

i read the whople boycott thing, and guess what most of the reasons for the boycott is complete nonsense

a) you can still play the games online for free, if there isnt alot of servers for those who wants to play for free it isnt microsofts fault, blame that on either your internet connection(which could account for that video poset earlier in this topic) or the person running the servers..

and b) live not being available world wide... to bad so sad... i can count alot of things available to us that i wish as a canadian could participate in.. a)contests, b)us tv stations offering streaming versions of the tv shows they carry.. should i go boycotting them because i cant participate in those offerings?
thing is microsoft is working on expanding the service to other countries but unfortunatly it will take time... all you pro boycotters fail to realize things like this wont happen over night... it could take a long time before one country gets access to live..
not to mention not everywhere in north america can access live due to the fact broadband internet is not in the area...

oh and driver and software support has nothing to do with the so called monopoly.. it only seems that way because the majority of people use windows based systems... companies tend to support the majority, if linux was used by the majority then it would change..... and windows is the majority because consumers make it so, not because of microsoft... if everyone stood up and started to only use linux or osx things would change to reflect that when it comes to driver and software support...

support tends to go where they can make the most money... ever hear of supply and demand.. there is more demand for windows based programs or drivers so of course there will be the supply to match the demand

Well since I am also Canadian I hear ya on being included but the boycott isn't for nonsense its to make people in glass houses they call offices listen. Understand Bro ?

Exactly and if it doesn't go to Big Brother where do the minorities fit in ?

you have to realize that this is the nature of business, every business out there always tries to 1-up its competitors with something better..
we vote on which company becomes the majority by buying into their products..

hey theres a saying in a song i like listening to, its not directly related to this but the meaning could be applied to it...

When the rich wage war, its the poor that dies...

Or the consumer !!

Well on MS they try and 1 - up themselves always have. XP or Vista ... hmmmmm .. well I have seen debates about it even on here ..... WOW


Since they are the same monopoly I will stick to XP and Ubuntu

(And NO Live lol)

Count me in!!

Ребят, я тоже пиздецки против микрософта! Монополисты блять хуевы! Я бы им ножки то обломал... Я чувствую, как плавиться мозг американцев бойкотирующих против микрософта и читающих этот пост, мне блять смешно!

ЗЫ: Microsoft: games for windows - suxx! In Russia don't play online with this service! But, we play! And dosen't matter! We click regisration, choice USA! Its work!

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Welcome to our forums Xbonus and the only language spoken here is english

thing if this is all about the right to choose then you should now we did choose...
we as the consumer chose by buying microsoft products over its competitors products..
microsoft is so strong in the marketshare because of that.. and unfortunatly it will not change any time soon because when you get that amount of support from its consumers it will difficult to change..


if the majority of people bought apple products over the pc we would be seeing apple being the monopoly.. and the same thing goes with linux if the majority of pc users use linux

Well what you fail to see by re-iterating the same crap over and over again is we don't really have a choice. Microsoft through marketing, shady business deals and dumb luck established a monopoly on operating systems to the level where even manufacturers release to there criteria. Your Canadian right ? Its like Bell telephone before the cell phone you have no choice in a lot of cases if you want to run certain software .. especially games.

Quite frankly I think your views are biased and hold little interest for me so thanks for the feedback but this will be my last reply to you on this thread

Now back on topic who else would like to help us Boycott Microsoft Live

Indeed! No one is forcing me to pay for a silver membership, but by buying games for windows live Im putting Microsoft in a better position to start charging me more money for those extra benefits, benefits that should be free of charge. No thanks. I'm quite happy with things as they are -FREE.

Russia here! Hello, friends!

Anti Xbox russian site!

http://antixbox.ru/

Then I'd waste no time switching to BSD!

Uh why pay for friends lists etc havn't people heard of XFIRE. The first time I seen a windows live title I knew it was bad news. I never have and never will be buying one.

P.S Lazymutant is sooooo blatantly a Microsoft employee ! Quick, begin the witch-hunt!

Welcome to ngohq CompanionCube. All the games that I play have built-in friend/clan lists.
Neat nick btw.