they really need a new name....x-spice croon....sound like the title of the spice girls reunion tour

LOL

Doesn't look bad and saw the note in Cons on the 12V line stablility. I have one other Con that has always bothered me when you pay good money for an upgraded power supply ... THE MESS !!

DLed and uploaded these images as they were originally using TweakNews space. Look at picture 1 and tell me if you want your case to look like that ?

Reason it looks like that is picture 2 how 80's is that ?

I would suggest they and some other manufacturers adopt a modular approach like Corsair has with this HX-520 I have here. Look at picture 3 and tell me if it isn't smarter to only have the cables you NEED in your case to run it
(This is the HX-620 I was to lazy to rip my case apart so used google )

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looks like a Corsair PSU

...modular plugs limit power by adding to electrical resistance. The voltage drop can be as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire. ...modular plugs utilize delicate pins that can easily loosen, corrode, and burn, creating the potential for a major system failure...(pcpnc)

Well the extra cables limit airflow and look messy unless you velcro them together and out of the way.
Wonder what would happen if you accidentally loosen a modular connection (without noticing) while doing something else and then power on?

X-spice?.. sounds like a late night "adult entertainment" channel..! <not that i'd know of course> No surprise its german then!

Too late.

Modular connectors are what are used to connect your PSU to your Mobo and also all your system devices usually manufactured or based on the Molex design. If you open up your power supply you will find most or all of your connections within it terminate to modular connectors. So are you implying we should hardwire those connections ? Being a musician and having a degree in Electronics Engineering Technology I find hardwired connections more apt to fail and also the stress of the strain reliefs will fatigue the wire prematurely if it is over flexed. I see it everyday.

Wait even though the contacts on our CPU sockets are gold plated and have extremely low electrical resistance like the pins on the Corsair modular connectors maybe we should just start soldering them into the board too !!

You have as much chance of accidentally loosening a modular connector as you do the main power connector into your mobo .... so I really don't understand your point

Apparently not.

unix i dident expect this from you
every connector is made to transfare as much power as possible
in most cases that is double or more of the needed/used power
as you know all devices have connectors like mbo,gpu,hdd,floppy,... so from your theory you would need a
wireless transfare of power so you would gain a higher safety from loosing connection, burning, voltage drop down and rest
interesting
when you make something safe like that call me i would like to invest on that

only if you jump on your case you can loose connection but with a real world
i never seen that high vibration on the case and psu that can pull out a power connector
omg pc case is not a truck from 50s

And I don't think the owner of the forum would either I don't hear him complaining about modular connections do you ?

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Your a smart man Unix I give you that but sometimes we have to admit we are wrong .. correct ?

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Mac, I was quoting pc power and cooling not stating my opinion bro.
Anyway inside my psu I can't see any molex connecions. The connections seem pretty solid and durable to me.

Ok Bro was just indicating that whoever made that statement was obviously confusing DC current with high frequency connections. Do you have a link or copy of this article and the name of the author ? If you do perhaps I will send him / her a lengthy email on basic electronics theory and perhaps a copy of a Basic Electronics book for light reading.

On your PSU I did have a look at it theres a review on DH that shows the inside of it. But whether or not those connections were soldered or were terminated with proper high quality low impedance connectors it wouldn't affect your performance at all. Don't believe everything you read and don't speculate when you don't have the facts ... you did the same thing on the Phenom release thread. If connectors caused that sort of impedance from a 12V or 5 V DC source there wouldn't be a vehicle on the face of the earth that could even start


EDIT: And just another quick thing that bothered me about that original statement nothing to do with you Unix. If people are going to talk electronics use the proper terminology I edited my post above. Its not resistance its impedance which also includes inductance and capacitance. When dealing with high frequencies DC resistance doesn't mean jack squat its the inductance and capacitance that affects the impedance.

I don`t think impedance has much to do with DC in these terms atleast
R = E / I
unless the wires are getting hot and waisting power their is bugger all loss (not too much current for the wire)

if you can measure ac in your dc lines we gots a prob

as for modular jacks being a problem (maybe in a 1980 modle datsun 180b)
but were pretty right here as well,just dont take the pc out rallying in wet weather too much!

Mac, no offense but I'm sorry to have to say this:
From the department of convicting and shooting the messenger:
Since when has directly quoting news or rumors been a crime. Take your psu and phenom arguments to the people that actually said those words.
This is a hardware site for crying out loud. People post links to all sorts of stuff and then they speculate about it.

Here's pc power's website: Power supplies and cooling devices from PC Power and Cooling, Inc.
The page for my power supply here
An interesting thing to note is the page states a 5 year warranty while the paper that came with mine (From a newly arrived shipment I must add) states a 3 year warranty.
So basically:

I spent a few moments reading PC Power’s website, and they wrote a lot of nonsense and they are full of shit. For example: “Are multiple 12-volt rails better then a single 12-volt rail?” The reason everyone is splitting the 12v rail to two or more is because of specification limitation. I checked the ATX specification myself a long time ago, and it says that high amp on the 12v rail is unsafe and may overheat; therefore manufacturers have to split it for safety reasons. That silencer PSU uses 60A on the 12v rail! Very unsafe and against the specification.

They wrote more bullshit in that “Power Supply Myths Exposed” page, but it would be waste of time to clear it all. Well, Modular plugs may increase resistance but not dramatically, you don’t have to worry about it. And trust me, it is not easy to take off modular plug, you need to use some strength to plug it off. However, good modular power supplies use good material in the plugs to reduce the resistance. Anyway, that page is full of shit and FUD.

What may overheat? The power supply?

Power supply,cable and some parts inside.

Is that not a problem with over-current protection in place?
Found the ATX specs

Edit: Looking at the specs a 80mm temperature controlled fan at the rear is preferred. That may be the only standards compliant thing about the psu! ROFL!

i know when i tossed this enermax fma II in here plus the large x1950 pro i imidiatly ran into heat issues, for one the card is very long so it creates almost like a compartment below and above it, and two this psu has alot of wires(more so them my old one) that totaly cram up the case, had it install 2 more fans(for a total of 4) just to get it all running back at proper temps, if you count the psu ad vid card theres 7 fans in this thing, 2 80mm intakes (one pointed at the HD one blowing from the 51/4" bays) 1 120mm exaust(2 if you count the psu) and then the cpu vid card and other psu fan, a modular psu would be a god send lol

On the first point fair enough just seems you use 3rd party information you obtain like ammo on here sometimes ... no offense intended

On the second note about the warranty email them to make sure Bro thats messed up


Impedance would have nothing to do with heating or wasting power its how the quote read. It seemed to say because of bad continuity the connection could have as much resistance as 2 meters of cable or something ? When your CPU and high frequency devices draw power across a resistance like that there is also inherit capacitance and inductance that increase impedance ... and lower the power supplies ability to provide current on demand for those devices. Make sense ? I hope so because what pc power did didn't make any sense to me as all *shrugs*