|  | | Our Official Response to NVIDIA | 
This is an official response to NVIDIA’s Unauthorized Distribution of NVIDIA Drivers on NGOHQ.com letter. Our servers are based in Israel. If you’re unaware, Israel is not a state in the United States. Israel is a small country in the Middle East. Therefore, the United States Copyright law and Section 106 do not apply here. This specific law applies only inside the United States borders.
Drivers for GPUs and MCPs are being offered freely by NVIDIA Corporation and millions of web-sites around the globe. If Guru3D, DriverHeaven, Techconnect Magazine, Laptopvideo2Go, Softpedia, DriverZone, FileForum and many other sites are allowed to distribute ForceWare and nForce drivers, then we don’t see any reason to remove it.
Our local law (Huk Zhoyot Yuzrim, 1911) permits us to distribute copyright software as long it’s intended for private/educational purposes and no-commercialism is involved. The software available in NGOHQ.com is being offered to the public free of charges. We are not charging money for the files or bandwidth, and no commercialism is involved with the distribution. The software available here is intended for home users and their private use. Therefore, the site fully complies with the local law (Huk Zhoyot Yuzrim, 1911).
We are offering drivers and free software; we are not distributing licensed software. Since no law is being violated, NGOHQ.com is fully complaint with the local law. You have no base for you accusations and you can’t threaten us with your own laws. Also, there is no DMCA law in our country. How come million sites are hosting your drivers, and we are the only one to receive legal threats?
Our modified software does not include code-level modification, only installation script modifications (INF) which is Windows script file. The installation script is not a part of the driver itself and NVIDIA Corporation cannot claim copyright ownership on these kinds of files. NGOHQ.com is providing notifications to the users and letting them know that the software is not being supported by NVIDIA Corporation. The user acknowledges that he’s/she is using the software at their own risk. You have no rights to claim ownership on installation scripts.
NGOHQ.com is fully legal and follows its state laws and Huk Zhoyot Yuzrim, 1911. NVIDIA’s drivers are being distributed on millions of web-sites on the internet. This attempt to force NGOHQ.com removal of this software is nothing but an attempt to continue the abuse toward NGOHQ.com. From our investigations, it seems that NVIDIA Corporation hasn’t sent this legal threat to anyone except NGOHQ.com.
From million of sites, NGOHQ.com is the only site who received legal threats. The real motive behind NVIDIA’s action is surely not the protection of their consumers, but to abuse NGOHQ.com due to unknown reasons.
We are modifying ‘driver .INF file’ because you’re using your software illegally as a tool to promote your new products. You’re removing INF file support for older product generations to promote your new products illegally, and using your drivers as tool for psychological warfare on your customers. Your actions are violating the United States Antitrust laws & Huk Hahegbliim Haiskiim Haisraeli and consumer rights. You’re also making false advertisements by claiming your software is Unified Driver Architecture, while it’s not.
NVIDIA is required to ensure that their products are working, and the software is bug-free. Instead of working on your drivers, you’re ignoring issues, requests and customer’s rights by dropping support and playing software tricks with them. The consumers are suffering in both desktop/mobile platforms because of your abusive tactics.
Without these ‘modified drivers’, your customers would file class actions against you. Your users are downloading drivers from our site because you fail to satisfy them, and you ignore them (Unfriendly control panel, Known 7800 GS issues and more)
This is not the first time that NVIDIA is trying to abuse this site. About a year ago, they sent another legal threat and requested to remove a patch that was made by Asrock. A few months ago one of their PR agents contacted their OEM partners and asked them not to provide samples, cooperation and support to NGOHQ.com, in-order to drive it out of business and to abuse this site, illegally. While NVIDIA is providing review samples and cooperation to other related sites to promote them, all we get is abuse, abuse, abuse and more abuse, and that’s after we provide support for their customers for free and from good will.
There is a very limited amount of websites who offer the same services for free. We don’t ask for anything in return but respect. Instead of providing us support, review samples, information and briefings, NVIDIA is sending us legal threats and abuse. Not only you’re not helping us, but you’re abusing us, yes! your own support site.
There is very a limited amount of sites like NGOHQ.com, and instead of supporting them, like you do with normal hardware sites, you’re abusing them, treating them without any respect and sending them ridiculous legal threats.
NVIDIA is working closely with our competitors. They are allowing them to host this kind of files, they are providing them betas to host, they are providing them review samples to promote their sites. Maybe NVIDIA is unaware to the US Antitrust laws, but we have all rights to provide competition in this area.
If NVIDIA is trying to take us out to promote their friends/our competitors, then NVIDIA is violating the US Antitrust Laws by preventing us from providing competition. We are allowed to offer competition if they like it or not. NVIDIA must respect open market, even if its website business. We have all rights to offer competition to the other sites, and we have all rights to offer ForceWare mirrors as well, like our competitors.
NGOHQ.com is providing unofficial support for its readers for free. If its software, tools, guides, reviews, information, drivers and news. NGOHQ.com is acting as an unofficial NVIDIA and ATI/AMD supporter on voluntary basis. We are providing help and support for you customers for FREE. We are providing workarounds and information for your customers as good will. We are not charging them for any fees and we don’t ask anything for return.
Our site and downloads section are very popular among your customers. These free downloads are consuming a massive amount of bandwidth and we have to pay for this bandwidth from our own pockets (18000-25000GB per month). We are also providing free bandwidth by mirroring these drivers, without quotes or any unpleasant content. We never received any kind of appreciation from NVIDIA about our hard work, these free services we are offering.
NGOHQ.com hasn’t violated any local law, the only ones who did violate, is NVIDIA with their continued abuse, harassment and attempts to drive NGOHQ.com out of business illegally. We will not remove the software; it is fully legally with our local law, while NVIDIA is violating the United States Antitrust Laws & Huk Hahegbliim Haiskiim Haisraeli by preventing us from running. If NVIDIA will continue abusing, harassing and illegally forcing their OEMs not to work with us, we will have no choice but to take legal actions against NVIDIA for Antitrust and Discrimination Violations.
We will also make sure to fill a complaint in the US DOJ regarding your abuse and possible antitrust violations. We will also tell them about the following:
* Possible use of illegal blackmail tactics against the press.
* Possible use of illegal The Way It's Meant To Be Played program to gain unfair advantage and abuse the open market.
* Possible use of illegal false advertisement.
* Possible use of illegal viral marketing campaigns.
* Possible use of software support being used as tool to promote sales illegally.
* Possible Antitrust Violations against the state, consumers, press and your competitors.
NGOHQ.com reserves the right to offer competition and to offer support for FREE. Your claims are baseless and pointless. NGOHQ.com has the tools and rights to protect and defend itself, and even to attack if necessary. We’re not scared of you; we can fight back, so do not underestimate us.
We prefer to deny access to US rather then removing free software from our site. If Guru3D, Driver Heaven, Techconnect Magazine, Laptopvideo2Go, Softpedia, DriverZone and FileForum are hosting these files, we will continue doing so, and if NVIDIA tries to prevent us from offering competition, we will be forced to fill a Discrimination and Antitrust lawsuit against them, and use their own laws against them. We would like to finish this response with the following quote: "Feel free to distribute and endorse Catalyst software. Just please let your users know that if they use modified drivers we aren't able to support them properly. Keep up the good work in the community." -AMD/ATI
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Originally Posted by Regeneration  .... We would like to finish this response with the following quote:
"Feel free to distribute and endorse Catalyst software. Just please let your users know that if they use modified drivers we aren't able to support them properly. Keep up the good work in the community."
| that was a great reply, and that ending was great , just proving them that the are doing things so wrong,unlike AMD/ATI  | | | | That's very well written. The read more link just links to the same page (loop). | | | | I guess I don't get exactly what nVidia's bitch is, I mean you do label 'em that they're modified and that nVidia doesn't support the drivers.
Besides, if nVidia was really that concerned about it why don't they encrypt the .inf just a touch or hide it in some .dll file or something? They could solve this whole "problem" of theirs very easily doing that instead of using a bloody text file!
Using a text file is like inviting people to modify it, IMHO....and I think that is a good thing. I used to love to play around with nVidia's .inf file to customize 'em for my rig back when I had an nVidia card..  | | | | f*ck nvidia. their products suck anyways. | | | | I've been coming to this site for about 2 years and never posted anything because I could always find what I was looking for either driver support or good files (modded ones).
I changed along time ago to ATI (3 years ago) and I have my own reasons. Used to have all kinds of Nvidia back when they had Viper or TNT cards, don't remember.
Hope this sites stays up and doing their usual thing and nice response letter back to Nvidia. You got my support and I hope from many others ATI and Nvidia users.
What is a world without competition  | | | | Regeneration, it is your old pal from Canada, SepheronX. I remember when I first talked to you via email, and asked if I could distribute (of course no selling) of your wonderful drivers.
To this day, I have continued to use the drivers you modified in a legal manor. I have continued to support those drivers to others who have asked "what is best way to get great performance and quality in my nvidia cards?".
Nvidia has been picking on you, and I am quite sad to here about it. I know friends and others who would be outraged to hear about such things coming from Nvidia's snatch.
I wish there was something I could do, but you live much too far away for you and I to plot a rebellion against Nvidia, and I don't think there is much to be said in Canada, but if you need any help in anything, I am willing to give a hand.
Nvidia are dogs, and even if I have had good runs with my modified 7900gs xt, I am quite sick and disappointed right now in even using it. Maybe the switch to ATI for future games will be best for me, cause at least they play fair.
I hope for the best of NGO, and would hate to see the fall of it, but I don't think Nvidia will have the power to do so, cause they did indeed violate many acts.
Just a note though, don't repeate the line " There is very a limited amount of sites" as you mentioned it twice, just mention it once. If you want to make the point cross, simply bold and italic it (underline if have too). | | | | Good response , and the ending line says it all . | | | | Are you guys really based in Israel?
ATI > NVIDIA My new ATI graphics card pwns my old NVIDIA one, runs smoother and is VIVO+HDCP without costing more than 200 USD. | | | | Well, judging that Reg is from Israel, and he is soul owner of the website, that my best guess the site is based in Israel. :P | | | | rege can you translate your laws because i dont think that guys from nvidia are smart and know its meaning (we all know that they are americans)
your response is very good but we all know that if letter contains more than 50 words nvidia folks will not read it because that is too hard for them to read
they dont even know where is Israel
p.s. it is a good response on theirs threat | | | | Hey theres another point to make
*Nvidias possible racism, and discrimination towards NGOHQ due to the site being based in Israel | | | | rotflmao Quote: |
Originally Posted by cjoyce1980 whats wrong nvidia....... is someone making better drivers than you??!!!
he is an idea....... OFFER THEM A F**KING JOB YOU BUNCH OF RETARED SAUSAGES!!!!! | |
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Originally Posted by InsanGamerNinja Are you guys really based in Israel? | Yes the board server and board owner reside in Israel  | | | | Man that 2900XT is looking better all the time. Play fair nVidia or you gonna lose many devoted customers! | | | | NGO FTW!
shame on you,*vidia
and its not their 1st time they whine !
maybe someone from *vidia can reply here and tell us what they got to say? | | | | Well im with you Regeneration Well nvidia sometimes are not really fair with theirs costumers. Well is for that now im with ATI. Well good luck with this mess regeneration. All the board will be with you
Have an great day 
Cheers | | | | I registered with NGOHQ's forums just so I could respond in this thread.
Nvidia has used strong arm tactics before and it looks like they still are (was it [H]ardOCP they attacked at one time?). This is appalling business ethics--something which seems to have been almost entirely forgotten in our nation's (I'm American) lust for money and materialism. It's too bad we forget about goodwill and genuinely helping others without expecting anything in return. Corporate America's philosophy is how can I profit from you rather than how can we best work together to serve the world community and make it a better place. Nvidia appears to only be acting out that greedy philosophy.
I purchased an 8800 GTS just over 2 months ago. It was the first Nvidia card purchase I had made since my old GeForce3 Ti 500. I really wanted to purchase the 2900XT but the noise of my old 1900XTX exhibited just too much, not to mention that my psu doesn't have the additional 8-pin rail for overclocking the 2900.
My warning to Nvidia is this: I'm a consultant to several sources for hardware purchasing, including a large govt acct (I will not name sources for legal reasons). Your behavior has not gone unnoticed and if you don't submit a formal apology to NGOHQ then I simply can't recommend your product. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.
You can come out of this as a shining example via formal apology and a totally changed attitude towards NGOHQ (and any other business entity), or continue to use your powerful presence in the market, which may fade with the wind if Intel decides to clobber you, to pick on small, HELPFUL web sites like this one. Just remember, if you choose the latter course of action you will find your customer base shrinking. We "little guys" have rights too and will exercise them if need be. |
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| Quote | | | | | i, too, registered here just to share my thoughts. first of all, it's kind of shocking how they've treated you, but then again, it isn't. doesn't make sense? here, i'll clarify (people in israel can read now, right?):
first of all, this isn't a major hardware review site. this isn't an enthusiast's refuge. this isn't much of anything than forums, a few files and news that's been recycled from everywhere else on the web. the point? get the fuck over it. they asked you twice now to stop what you're doing, and twice you've acted like stubborn brats trying to "stick it to the man" by refusing to comply. well, i've got news for you - this isn't some quake 3 'tard trying to tell you your drivers suck or what you're doing is wrong. THIS IS NVIDIA CORP. that means, kids, you don't have anything to say in court against them. your lawsuit is crap, they will destroy you, and not even your mommy's credit cards could pay off the debt you'll owe them for the hassle. sad but true, folks. quit while you're ahead.
next, it's nice to know people can come here to bullshit, download a few things, and read comfortably, but like i said, this site isn't anything special. it's more of a "black sheep" or -attempt- at a decent community. ngo has been around for a while, and even though you have a sizeable community since the beginning, it's still not really worth a shit. again, stop acting like rebellious children, take your meds, jerk off, nap, whatever. they warned you nicely, but next time, you might be taking the big ol' NV cock in the ass in the courtroom.
good luck. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreamingSlave etc | How much did nVidia pay you to say that? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreamingSlave i, too, registered here just to share my thoughts. first of all, it's kind of shocking how they've treated you, but then again, it isn't. doesn't make sense? here, i'll clarify (people in israel can read now, right?):
first of all, this isn't a major hardware review site. this isn't an enthusiast's refuge. this isn't much of anything than forums, a few files and news that's been recycled from everywhere else on the web. the point? get the fuck over it. they asked you twice now to stop what you're doing, and twice you've acted like stubborn brats trying to "stick it to the man" by refusing to comply. well, i've got news for you - this isn't some quake 3 'tard trying to tell you your drivers suck or what you're doing is wrong. THIS IS NVIDIA CORP. that means, kids, you don't have anything to say in court against them. your lawsuit is crap, they will destroy you, and not even your mommy's credit cards could pay off the debt you'll owe them for the hassle. sad but true, folks. quit while you're ahead.
next, it's nice to know people can come here to bullshit, download a few things, and read comfortably, but like i said, this site isn't anything special. it's more of a "black sheep" or -attempt- at a decent community. ngo has been around for a while, and even though you have a sizeable community since the beginning, it's still not really worth a shit. again, stop acting like rebellious children, take your meds, jerk off, nap, whatever. they warned you nicely, but next time, you might be taking the big ol' NV cock in the ass in the courtroom.
good luck. | If our forum isn't active like 'other sites', it doesn't mean anything. And no body is using 'mommy's credit cards', NGOHQ.com has some budget, backup and publisher, we can deal with them.
If we refuse to give them control and we refuse to sign on NDAs, it doesn’t mean they have rights to send us legal threats every 2-3 months. Nvidia needs to obey their country law and keep the ‘Hardware site market’ open and allow us to provide competition against the other sites. They are not allowed to discriminate/blacklist/abuse us. I don’t care what is the reason for it. SLI Patch/Posting news about unannounced GPUs, or maybe they don’t like Israel, We don’t care about it.
We don’t have any problems with anyone else (ATI/AMD/Intel/Etc), just Nvidia. We’re the only ones who receive this treatment, but there are others. Nvidia is trying to gain control over hardware sites by blackmailing them, if they will not do what they tell you to, then they will mark you as a target and try to pull you ‘out of business’. If you will follow their orders, they will help you against your competitors.
Nvidia Corporation has no RIGHTS to put their noses inside our market, and they are not allowed to control hardware sites fates. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreamingSlave i, too, registered here just to ............... | We all know why you registered here , he was not pay by nVidia , his post is to immature and childlish. |
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| Quote | | | | | screamingslave must be another nvidia exec.
nvidia thought they could strongarm their way to the top, in fact they accomplished just that but they can't stay there that way. their tactics worked for many years but all evil empires crumble eventually and their time is coming.
screamingslave and the other nv fanbois can see the writing on the wall and they are kicking themselves now for buying into nv's bullshit and now they want to take it out on the world, poor babies... | | | | I was under the impression that th term "fanboy" will never be used ... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreamingSlave i, too, registered here just to share my thoughts. first of all, it's kind of shocking how they've treated you, but then again, it isn't. doesn't make sense? here, i'll clarify (people in israel can read now, right?):
first of all, this isn't a major hardware review site. this isn't an enthusiast's refuge. this isn't much of anything than forums, a few files and news that's been recycled from everywhere else on the web. the point? get the fuck over it. they asked you twice now to stop what you're doing, and twice you've acted like stubborn brats trying to "stick it to the man" by refusing to comply. well, i've got news for you - this isn't some quake 3 'tard trying to tell you your drivers suck or what you're doing is wrong. THIS IS NVIDIA CORP. that means, kids, you don't have anything to say in court against them. your lawsuit is crap, they will destroy you, and not even your mommy's credit cards could pay off the debt you'll owe them for the hassle. sad but true, folks. quit while you're ahead.
next, it's nice to know people can come here to bullshit, download a few things, and read comfortably, but like i said, this site isn't anything special. it's more of a "black sheep" or -attempt- at a decent community. ngo has been around for a while, and even though you have a sizeable community since the beginning, it's still not really worth a shit. again, stop acting like rebellious children, take your meds, jerk off, nap, whatever. they warned you nicely, but next time, you might be taking the big ol' NV cock in the ass in the courtroom.
good luck. | you must be american? only one of "them" would miss the point entirely. | | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by nCaine replying to ScreamingSlave We all know why you registered here , he was not pay by nVidia  , his post is to immature and childlish. | I think it's lame to register just to post BS about one topic (300NE1?). Not very intelligent either. | | | | Carry on the fight against corporate stupidity, ha'naknikim.
Kol ha'cavod. | | | | please don't fill yur spec profile out with rubbish information.
also
Regen, they did similar to omega Omega Interview
these guys are nut cases, i think thier legal team was just bored... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreamingSlave i, too, registered here just to share my thoughts. first of all, it's kind of shocking how they've treated you, but then again, it isn't. doesn't make sense? here, i'll clarify (people in israel can read now, right?):
first of all, this isn't a major hardware review site. this isn't an enthusiast's refuge. this isn't much of anything than forums, a few files and news that's been recycled from everywhere else on the web. the point? get the fuck over it. they asked you twice now to stop what you're doing, and twice you've acted like stubborn brats trying to "stick it to the man" by refusing to comply. well, i've got news for you - this isn't some quake 3 'tard trying to tell you your drivers suck or what you're doing is wrong. THIS IS NVIDIA CORP. that means, kids, you don't have anything to say in court against them. your lawsuit is crap, they will destroy you, and not even your mommy's credit cards could pay off the debt you'll owe them for the hassle. sad but true, folks. quit while you're ahead.
next, it's nice to know people can come here to bullshit, download a few things, and read comfortably, but like i said, this site isn't anything special. it's more of a "black sheep" or -attempt- at a decent community. ngo has been around for a while, and even though you have a sizeable community since the beginning, it's still not really worth a shit. again, stop acting like rebellious children, take your meds, jerk off, nap, whatever. they warned you nicely, but next time, you might be taking the big ol' NV cock in the ass in the courtroom.
good luck. |
Do you host a web site? Is it anything "special" to you or your readers? If some large corp like Nvidia just decided to shut you down for apparently no legal basis would you just cringe under the pressure? Let's just say some corp laid a false claim on your car, your house, your job with no legal basis--do you just give it to them because they are almighty "insert company name here?" If there's anything that makes America great is that a little guy stands a chance because there are rights in the U.S. Constitutional to protect him/her. The country was founded on war against oppression--namely the English Empire at the time.
Your mentality is exactly the Corporate America mentality I was referring to--size and money matters only. Perhaps when you suffer great loss because of one of these entities you'll then understand.
BTW, your argument is extremely weak and any decent lawyer would immediately reject it as being supportive to a case (I know, my brother's a patent lawyer). | | | | Its very simple , just look at his nick name buahahahahha | | | | I have done a lot of thinking about this issue....
I have come to the following conclusions:
1) I HATE nvidia, their products, their customer service, their drivers, and their ATTITUDE towards their customers.
2) even though I HATE nvidia, I value this site, the information this site provides, the NGO drivers, etc.
I am afraid that this site has taken a stand against an enemy of which this site cannot possibly defend itself. While this site is a great site, the resources available to this site are infinitely insignificant in relationship to the resources nvidia could use to bury this site. Is the fight worth it?
I, for one, would rather see this site survive to provide AMD/ATI users with quality information and drivers regarding ATI's products, rather than get buried trying to fight to keep nvidias stuff available. Is it worth risking the demise of this site to make a point?
I'll stand by this site regardless of its decision... but I implore you to think of the possible ramifications of a direct court battle with nvidia. In the end, as much as we hate to believe it... politics and money usually win. | | | | First I'd like to point out, not all Americans are as stupid as screamingidiot. Many of us can think for ourselves and are unbiased and not as dumb as he is.
That said, sreamingidiot and Nvidia's case is ridiculous. If NVida's drivers weren't so terrible this probably wouldn't even be an issue. NVidia has some wicked problems to iron out, and they're going about it much too slowly.
Secondly, I find it morally reprehensible NVidia should single out a single Jewish site and not all the others. It makes them look like anti-semites, and though not Jewish myself - it still sickens me.
NGO - keep up the good work. Nvidia? Hey, there's a reason I haven't switched to your video cards. It's called horrible drivers. The irony of you shutting down soemone providing alternate drivers is so thick I can't stick a knife through it. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jpinard First I'd like to point out, not all Americans are as stupid as screamingidiot. Many of us can think for ourselves and are unbiased and not as dumb as he is. | true but put your hand on a hart and admit it that most of americans are stupid or they dont use their heads
most americans when they see a good commercial for some shity product they automaticly buys it |
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Originally Posted by gen.Rage1991hrv true but put your hand on a hart and admit it that most of americans are stupid or they dont use their heads
most americans when they see a good commercial for some shity product they automaticly buys it | Most of us don't have the money to do that anymore. You're either rich or barely get by. | | | | blame your Bush-man for that | | | | Quote: |
Secondly, I find it morally reprehensible NVidia should single out a single Jewish site and not all the others. It makes them look like anti-semites, and though not Jewish myself - it still sickens me.
| So were Omega jewish too? Sorry your point is invalid. NGO may be based in Israel but it's not something you could consider as a "Jewish site" and Nvidia are not antisemitic they're idiots. | | | | I for one think Nvidia are right and NGOHQ should not have the right to mess with Nvidia's driver (scripted or not).
Regards
Goat
Edited - Flaming is not ALLOWED here. |
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Originally Posted by jpinard First I'd like to point out, not all Americans are as stupid as screamingidiot. | OK just 99.99% of Americans then | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatOfMendez oooooooooh another intellectual giant in our midst 
I have read all and the first post still reads like a 12 year has composed it.
Although now I start to realise where the poster gets his ideas from  |
hehehehhehe
kid if you have something to comment try to be less provocative
do you know what was going on all the time here ??? no you dont know
rege is making much beter drivers than nvidia
inf(file that is modded) file is windows file and nvidia cant do a shit because they dident make windows
so kid before you say anything first think than say it | | | | GoatOfMendez - Watch your tongue. You’re not allowed to insult/flame other forum members here. And surely not to make fun of them because English isn’t their native language. Most the readers here are from countries inside Europe and Asia - not the US/UK. Many people here know 2-4 languages, how many languages do you know? English? that's it? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration GoatOfMendez - Watch your tongue. You’re not allowed to insult/flame other forum members here. And surely not to make fun of them because English isn’t their native language. Most the readers here are from countries inside Europe and Asia - not the US/UK. | ah I see, only positive post FOR NGO allowed. Sorry your argument loses any credability at all when you start censoring comments that go against your sites statements.
BTW I wasn't insulting/flaming anyone, the original post does sound like it was composed by a child to a native English speaking person. I also offered advice that if the poster is going to post in English (especially about such things as the law) then they should get an English speaking native to compose the post.
Take it as you like. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatOfMendez ah I see, only positive post FOR NGO allowed. Sorry your argument loses any credability at all when you start censoring comments that go against your sites statements.
BTW I wasn't insulting/flaming anyone, the original post does sound like it was composed by a child to a native English speaking person. I also offered advice that if the poster is going to post in English (especially about such things as the law) then they should get an English speaking native to compose the post.
Take it as you like. | tell us how will someone from Europe like german , franch ,.... will or can speak English like some one from UK ????(that is your IP from right??) | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatOfMendez ah I see, only positive post FOR NGO allowed. Sorry your argument loses any credability at all when you start censoring comments that go against your sites statements. | You’re allowed to post criticism, but you’re not allowed to flame and insult people here. I don’t know how other websites are dealing with flames/insults, but being rude and insult is not allowed here (Have you heard about the term 'Manners'?) . In this forum you’re required to respect other people, even if English is not their native language. You’re talking about ‘little children’ while you’re disrespecting other people. Why? because they are living outside of the US/UK, and their English is not perfectly, like yours. |
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Originally Posted by GoatOfMendez I also offered advice that if the poster is going to post in English (especially about such things as the law) then they should get an English speaking native to compose the post.
Take it as you like. |
DID you thinked while you writed this .
So when you wana learn to drive you go and find F1 race driver to teach you , yea they live around every corner.Ahhh sorry , you too young to drive a car.
Like native spekers in europe . They just wait outside every house for someone in need to post on forum. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart you must be american? only one of "them" would miss the point entirely. | I'm sure there are just as many morons in your county as we have here in America!!! It's amazing how much controversy nVidia has caused, probably there goal all along. | | | | If I was a mod I'd lock this thread before things get worse. | | | | Just stepping in to make an observation and suggestion here on this thread. As Rege commented flaming and name calling doesn't solve anything and we have a zero tolerance policy for flaming on NGOHQ.com especially in the News Section.
Going to share these words of Wisdom Rege shared with me when I first joined the staff here:
"Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself"
Very true and when I get ticked at something here I count to ten and remember those words. Its the damn truth !! | | | | yes mac you have a point
but some times when peoples who are not part of this community trys to provoke us
we automatically defends this site and reges work and say horrible stuff but you have to understand us (members who are here all the time like me)
rege one more time sorry about that
i respect your work and i cant control sometimes when i read something like goats provocative post | | | | Bro my reply wasn't directed at you and we appreciate your dedication and support of NGOHQ.com. Sometimes we just have to sit back and think I am not stooping to someones level because we are smarter than they are | | | | i know you was not replying to me but i was trying to say that you all need to close one eye when we dedicated users get mad at some idiots who trys to provoke us all
i respect this site and most of users that come here
p.s.sorry for OFF TOPIC | | | | No worries Bro I understand and lets both get this back on topic
We are interested in everyones feedback on this letter no flaming please | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration You’re allowed to post criticism, but you’re not allowed to flame and insult people here. I don’t know how other websites are dealing with flames/insults, but being rude and insult is not allowed here (Have you heard about the term 'Manners'?) . In this forum you’re required to respect other people, even if English is not their native language. You’re talking about ‘little children’ while you’re disrespecting other people. Why? because they are living outside of the US/UK, and their English is not perfectly, like yours. | First, I'm American. I can understand why other peoples can get the impression that Americans are stupid. One reason in particular is re-electing a president who is obviously corrupt. Bush has disgraced America and has brought us to an all time low point in our foreign relations. Cheney and much of the Republican Party is full of corruption as well, giving Bush a rubber stamp on many laws that are just plain unconstitutional. Some Democrats also gave authority for the Iraq war. It's amazing what "patriotism" can do. It was patriotism that Hitler used to build the German army and bring about war on a worldwide scale. I've read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and it chilled me to see America repeating its history. When someone calls Bush a type of Hitler I can immediately understand where they're coming from.
But let me now say that there are many Americans like myself who abhor war and bloodshed and are not taken in by patriotism. We love our families and actually try to spread some goodwill. Among my favorite movies are Sophie Scholl, Schindler's List, the The Pianist. We see through the "God is for our political party" lies and do everything within our means to stop their "holy" crusade.
Well, politics aside... Many times threads of this nature can break down into name calling, and of course that's a reflection on the poster. I believe every forum needs moderation (hence moderators), otherwise chaos ensues. Thank you for the courage in moderating this thread.
I do hope ATI comes back in a very competitive way and we have choices again. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that Nvidia's 8800 cards have barely budged in price since their release back in Nov/Dec last year, not to mention by far the most expensive consumer videocard to date: The 8800 Ultra. | | | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixlord Wow! Nice post NLight! | Thanks. I don't post here to "convert" people's philosophy, only to try to get them to think about how their actions affect others.
When we see a chance to support someone or something innocently under attack (like NGOHQ) then it's good to graciously lend support in whatever form that may be, and the written/typed word can be very powerful. | | | | Nlight95
nice post and i am glad to that there is trace of intelligence in usa
us government is the government of terror and how i see large company's like Nvidia is allso forcing that terror over sites like this one | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by NLight95 Thanks. I don't post here to "convert" people's philosophy, only to try to get them to think about how their actions affect others.
When we see a chance to support someone or something innocently under attack (like NGOHQ) then it's good to graciously lend support in whatever form that may be, and the written/typed word can be very powerful. | and this is why i still "know" there is hope for America yet. | | | | Let's say I take 2 rather dull songs and decide to make a a great remix out of them creating 1 awesome song. I then decide to distribute that song on my website for free because it is much better than the originals.
The original artist of the songs contacts me and says, "Hey, take the song down please, I created it and have copyrights on it". However, I decide to leave it up there because the song is much better now. Do I have the right to do this?
Nvidia is not Linux, the software is not meant to be open source. I am a big advocate for being able to do what you want with a product once you receive it in the privacy of your own home. However, when you dive into the public realm and start to distribute it then you become fair game to any laws governed by that product. | | | | Songs aren't free, drivers are freeware. And your example, you can do it, aslong you're letting the people know its been modified, and you're not selling it, then it's totally cool. Look how abusive the US copyrights are, they removed some game trailer due to 'copyright' reasons.
If citizens of the United States prefer to live under Communist laws, it doesn’t mean we have to suffer too. Look at the RIAA/MPAA, they sue little girls and poor people because of WHAT? MP3s? The US is sending their army far.. far.. away to fight in Iraq, while the RIAA/MPAA are using terrorism on its OWN citizens.
If Nvidia wants us to follow their requests, they will have to contact all the other sites and request them to do it too, aslong other sites are allowed to do so, then I don't see any reasons for us to stop. |
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Originally Posted by Regeneration
If citizens of the United States prefer to live under Communist laws, it doesn’t mean we have to suffer too. Look at the RIAA/MPAA, they sue little girls and poor people because of WHAT? MP3s? The US is sending their army far.. far.. away to fight in Iraq, while the RIAA/MPAA are using terrorism on its OWN citizens. | It isn't coming from the U.S. goverment so I wouldn't call it Communism per say, more like capitalism... You need to consider that you are not distributing the driver only in Israel, it is all over the world including the U.S. where the paten/copyright is from. Quote:
Originally Posted by Regeneration If Nvidia wants us to follow their requests, they will have to contact all the other sites and request them to do it too, aslong other sites are allowed to do so, then I don't see any reasons for us to stop. | How are you so sure that other sites aren't being told to stop distributing "hacked" drivers? I seem to recall OmegaDrivers.net running into legal problems with Nvida until they decided to only tweak the driver. Now OmegaDrivers has this notice on their website "These driver are "pre-tweaked" drivers, no programming took place, they are just the regular nvidia driver with added tweaks and features, the last four numbers in my version number refer to the nvidia drivers version they are based on." | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy480 How are you so sure that other sites aren't being told to stop distributing "hacked" drivers? I seem to recall OmegaDrivers.net running into legal problems with Nvida until they decided to only tweak the driver. Now OmegaDrivers has this notice on their website | First of all, most of the countries have the same copyright laws like the Israelis. Only the US copyright laws are so aggressive probably because of the corruption. The corporations and Hollywood have too much influence over the government. In most of the world the copyright law is not that aggressive.
Secondly, we have relations with the other sites, we know exactly what’s going on and who received legal threats. We are all friends and it would be easy for us to check out on it. We also have relations with OmegaDrivers. So far only NGOHQ.com and OmegaDrivers/DriverHeaven have received legal threats. Suprisly, both sites have closer relations with ATI/AMD then Nvidia (Or at least they had in the past).
So maybe Nvidia is sending threats to websites who have good relations with their competitors, and allowing their friends to continue. Anyhow, it seems that Nvidia has sent legal threats to two websites out of millions. There are many other websites out there, with the same content, and some of them are even more popular then us (Guru3D for example), and they are ‘allowed’ to host these files. Nvidia can’t discriminate people, it’s everyone is allowed, or no one, period. | | | | that was a great reply, and that ending was great , just proving them that the are doing things so wrong,unlike AMD/ATI | | | | Thanks guys for your very kind words. It's encouraging to see people from different places around the world take a stand on this forum up for something worthwhile, even if it is "small." Generalities and stereotypes (i.e. prejudice) always cause more harm than good. All of us have human nature and the capacity to do both good and evil. It knows no nationality, race, color, creed--bad behavior can come from anyone (me included).
It's my hope and prayer that NGOHQ comes out of this better/stronger than before. There's nothing like a strong community to build upon. | | | | I read this thread and registered.
I used to regard nVidia as a friendly tech and market leader for their distinuished OpenGL support and drivers for linux,but I am now astonish by this issue and doubt what I thought was right.
For 3years I bought no upgrades for my pc,but when I installed vista I found that I need to buy a new graphic card to play the only game in my pc that worked well in xp with ngo drivers.(the game consumes 100MB system ram and about 32MB video ram which should be fulfilled by my platform)
I am an experienced user and I know that official drivers are conservative,I ought to have better performence.However,NGOHQ was threatened(blackmailed) at this critical time not to release what may help an old card.
This makes me going for a new Card..a new Card...new Card......
The above was what I had in my mind just after I read the threat,then I came to this thread,I saw you bro defend yourself and do what you want to do with great will and courage.
You make me see what nVidia is doing compared with AMD,and you make me decide that I buy a AMD product if your coming release still fail the game in vista.(not your fault,I know that,5700le is antique....)
best regards | | | | Two thumbs up for that letter.
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Originally Posted by Regeneration "Feel free to distribute and endorse Catalyst software. Just please let your users know that if they use modified drivers we aren't able to support them properly. Keep up the good work in the community." -AMD/ATI | ... just makes me want to throw my Nvidia card out the window and get an ATI one. Too bad I can't afford such thing, that would be some statement ._____________. | |
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