"Modifying drivers to add products that were not intended to be supported in the driver may cause more problems for customers due to limited testing and known problems on some products."

How culd they write this shit after , probable a year without a DECENT driver , after all that bugs that ben here for years.All that user BETA testing shit. Now they pissed me off to the max.
Are they so fucked up , they droped support , dont give us drivers that works and support older cards. But send this BS .


nVidia is getting fucking lame latly , no maybe not latly, its a trend for them from most of time.

PS. Im writing my own letter to mister Perez

give them my "regards", also

Well I am going to hold off on emailing Mr. Perez for now as I am staff here and will wait for Regeneration's decision on how we are going to pursue this issue as a forum ...

they sould be thankfull for the work you are putting down here at NGO, insted they are just beeing asses

Please do not use this thread to flame.

Dont worry mac i wont just diss the guy like 10years old boy. And i wont speak in the name of NGO ether . Rather explayn NORMAL USER side of the story. And ask about all the shit they do latly .

But i doub it change enything . But i have some time and will write it.

Some posts above are flames. I was trying to make some people see a wider picture of the whole situation. But, if you considered it a flame I understand although I cannot agree.

That's none of your business. The customer decides and the customer is always right.
Great

how strange that they Support the modded driver community, yet they send such an email.

i think they have lost the plot.

i will continue to provide my remix's, and if nvidia wishes to go, i will call all the users to pool money together to take them to court, AND WIN.

lets see what transpires over the next few days and then take it from there. I cant understand hassling someone for providing free downloads of their drivers when it only saves them valuable bandwidth in the long run

Wow. Just when I thought they couldn't sink any lower than they already have.

This is just ridiculous, "it may cause problems for our customers" what is that supposed to mean? how can this be more of a problem than your (nvidia) own lousy betadrivers?

Nvidia, please find something better to do, like... uhm.. make better drivers? how about that?

this same thing happend to Omega.
f*** you Nvidia and your overpriced cards and stick your socalled suport in a place where the sun dont shine.

hmmmm strange
i cant modd my drivers because it is against some stupid law but if i modd BMW main computer i will get a proposition to work for BMW like a programmer
hmmmm interesting
nvidia i dont think that your card worth more than a BMW

We’re currently addressing this problem with our attorney. Nvidia asked us to remove all their drivers from the site (ForceWare/nForce). If Guru3D, DriverHeaven, Techconnect Magazine, Laptopvideo2Go, Softpedia, DriverZone and FileForum are allowed to distribute ForceWare and nForce drivers, then we don’t see any reason to remove it. Period. We’re working with our attorney on the official response to Nvidia, and it should be ready today or tomorrow. We prefer to deny access to US rather then removing it.

one question Rege
have you asked for permission (to put their drivers on your site or to modd it ???)
i am asking this because i dont understand what they have against you

The ForceWare and nForce drivers are Nvidia property and although the company is not specific as to their distribution it is logical that they can choose who can and who cannot make them available.

It's not normal to be so aggressive in criticizing Nvidia and expect them to take everything without a response. Given that fact that you distribute Nvidia drivers and modify them you find yourself in a partnership from which both parties benefit. But when one partner starts saying diverse things and kicks the other one in its soft parts, the partnership ends and that's the basic idea of this move from Nvidia.

A more diplomatic tone would certainly help.

Because we're doing our jobs and publishing info about upcoming products (Without NDA of course). They want to control the press and tell us what to post, when to post. Or maybe because we’re not publishing biased reviews, or because we refuse to give them control over this site, or they are just unhappy because they can't accept the truth or criticism.

Yes, they can choose who can and who cannot make them available. The only problem is... this is against the US Antitrust laws, and if they are preventing us from offering competition, then they may face Antitrust Lawsuit. So basically, according to the US laws, they cannot choose who can/cannot make them available because it will result in a Discrimination and Antitrust Lawsuits against them. And sadly, we are not based in the US, so they cannot use US copyright law against us, but they are based in the US, and we can use their own laws against them.

than can you try to get some agreement with them about modding drivers or something???
i know that they cant get a case and they will not sue you because they CANT(you are not a american and their law dose not count here)
but try to get a agreement with them just to avoid this threats (you know what a mean)

No, I think you're a little confused. If nobody can choose who can and cannot distribute their product than, for example, how can Apple sell the iPhone only though AT&T? It's the same thing, a company that has chosen another one to distribute its produtc(s). There is nothing illegal in this situation.

They can, until someone will sue them for that.

Culd you say what benefit NGO or Regeneration get from this site ????

The only one who benefit from all His work is us, user . NVIDIA users.

People visiting NGOHQ.com = money from ads. It is pretty obvious.

And I'm pretty sure nobody will sue Apple for their (legal) contract with AT&T. If the contract between the two would have broken the US' Antitrust laws then I don't think it would have been able to become a reality.

Which used to pay for bandwidth (18000GB) per month.

And may I ask, all the money from NGOHQ goes into that? Nobody blames you for making money off the site, people just have to know that this isn't charity. You're running a business, just like Nvidia does, just at a different scale.

Mostly :/

All right, if this is true then why aren't you more open towards Nvidia and maybe try to work more closely with them? Promoting hate towards Nvidia won't bring anything good, you can criticize without any strong language as there is great responsibility in running the site.

If you want to be taken serious and listened to with respect you have to do those exact things. Diplomacy is key here, not trash talk, cause anyone can do that.

I think you can resolve these issues through more peaceful means. Letting people thing Nvidia is some kind of evil company is not diplomatic as it is untrue.

Been there, done that.

Marduk ... I don't understand your point ....
is NGOHQ asking money for their moded drivers (ATi or nVidia), NO! ... so, what's your point?
I've seen NGO's modded ForceWare fixing issues that nVidia missed in their official releases

For what it's worth, I'm rooting for your side Regeneration.

Well Digi in Da House nice to see you posting here my old friend

If Nvidia wants to play ball

NGOHQ can take them in an antitrust case as nvidia is blacklisting NGOHQ from its manufacturers, totally anticompetitive.

i think nvidia should be more diplomatic rather then act like a bully and should lay off those mufus who spent their time on that crap of a threat letter and invest in better driver making! (like i dono hmmm like ATi maybe)

I'm closing the thread, there is no need to have two threads for this issue. You can use the other thread to reply.