Question For Kirill

Dyre Straits · January 11th, 2007, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IModIntel

Also forgot to mention:

You said you have a DVD-ROM and a hard drive. I've got two OPTICAL drives on that channel. Removing one completely solved the problem. As soone as i plug a second device in there, (whether my burner or my old 15gb IDE) it lags on optical disc read.

You say that when you remove one of the optical drives the problem goes away. Soooo....do you have the jumper settings correct on those two Optical drives? Just as with HDDs, one has to be Master with the other set to Slave. As long as these jumpers are set correctly, things should work well.

Kirill · January 11th, 2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbruneau

If they are aftermarket rounded ide cables, they are likely quality ATA100 (UDMA100) cables.

The easiest way to check would be the 'thickness' of the cable. Though, I've been working on computers for well over 10 years now. An 80 pin cable looks almost flat because the pins are so close together, where a 40 pin cable has more obvious ridging between the cables. Plus a 40 pin cable has a standard black/grey end on all 2/3 connectors, where a 80 pin cable has blue, red, or yellow ends.

I would then continue to look at the drivers and windows itself. There are other things in the device manager you could check to ensure that UDMA33 or UDMA66 was enabled on your primary and secondary ports.

One quick check would be here:
+ Control Panel
+ System
+ Hardware (if applicable)
+ Device Manager
+ IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers
+ <name> Controller
+ Primary / Secondary Channel

Ensure that DMA is selected and enabled if available. Also make sure you don't have any bangs or questions. Curious, what is the controller that you have listed there? We can check for even newer drivers for it...

P.S. Kirill, you're not helping

! *LOL*

im getting this on primary ide channel

IModIntel · January 11th, 2007, 07:05 PM

Everthing looks alright on my jumper settings : I got my reader on master and my burner on slave.

Yes, I did look at the IDE connector on the board and its 40 pin (the cable two). Now why are you talking about 80 pin cables Jbruneau?

Dyre Straits · January 12th, 2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IModIntel

Everthing looks alright on my jumper settings : I got my reader on master and my burner on slave.

Yes, I did look at the IDE connector on the board and its 40 pin (the cable two). Now why are you talking about 80 pin cables Jbruneau?

40 Pin cables do not support Ultra DMA. To get Ultra DMA you have to use an 80 pin cable.

If the link works right, the above image shows an 80-pin IDE cable. It doesn't have anymore holes in the connector than does a 40-pin connector. But, it does have double the number of wires.

Kirill · January 12th, 2007, 11:30 AM

hmm,i got 80 pin that came with mainboard..
its gray wire,with black ends..
and i got my old wire,its yellow,with the end that goes into mainboard is blue,next end that goes to hdd is grey and last one is black..
what of them is better to use ?...

Dyre Straits · January 12th, 2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirill

hmm,i got 80 pin that came with mainboard..
its gray wire,with black ends..
and i got my old wire,its yellow,with the end that goes into mainboard is blue,next end that goes to hdd is grey and last one is black..
what of them is better to use ?...

This link gives a pretty thorough description of the best way to configure IDE/ATA devices for best overall performance:

http://www.storagereview.com/guide20...endations.html

Delerious · January 12th, 2007, 12:11 PM

The Blue - Grey - Black IS a 80 conductor cable use it, the extra 40 cables are ground to stop crosstalk ect.

Blue end goes to MB (important that bit) and Black Primary drive, Grey Secondary drive

Kirill · January 12th, 2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Delerious

The Blue - Grey - Black IS a 80 conductor cable use it, the extra 40 cables are ground to stop crosstalk ect.

Blue end goes to MB (important that bit) and Black Primary drive, Grey Secondary drive

so,that blue,gray,black wire is better than the one that came with mb?

IModIntel · January 13th, 2007, 05:15 AM

Well i've decided to order a new board. It is going to be an ASUS P5B instead of my MSI P965 Neo-F. The IDE Controller is a JMicron JMB363 instead of the 361. I've heard talk from some of my friends who have the same controller that some of them had these problems.

One other thing: I've tried to make the system boot without the optical drives, set all the BIOS settings to [Auto] and then replug them . Then I saw in the BIOS that both drives were being picked up as UDMA. YAY

. Then i booted Windows but when i went to the devices manager, My drives mode was stuck to PIO. Now this is why it is lagging

. I've tried EVERYTHING (I think). So I said screw it. I decided to get a better board with a better controller and to just reinstall windows.

But, i still have one more question: why wont your pc work with a new mobo???. Doesn<t Windows redetect the drivers automatically?

Delerious · January 13th, 2007, 03:11 PM

I was going to buy a Gigabyte P965 DQ6 untill i discovered it had a JMicron 361 controller on it, they can compared to the 363 version seem to have a great deal of issues i found doing some research on the net, and not just UDMA issues.

Legacy ATA did sometime have to go from MB's but did Intel have to remove it right when they did with the release of the 965 chipsets as the world & 3rd party manif's were not really ready for this big change IMHO.