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Old May 17th, 2008, 08:46 PM   #131
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IT was faster than SDR but waaay to expensive. Anyway DDR is the standard right now and thats a fact
I was using 7600GT and i sold it this month... & i bought this board to play some games till june 3.. bcoz my 690G sks..lol

And talking about Rambus... forget about the old one... Toshiba and sony are planing to use it on there Laptops... and do u know y PS3 is so powerful... it has a Cell processor and a 512 MB rambus in it.... and the problem with rambus is... since it is chip... it needs coolers like a processor... if we use.. too many fans... u need something to hold ur comp from flying...


DDR3

DDR3-1600 200 MHz 5 ns 800 MHz 1600 Million PC3-12800 12800 MB/s

76.8 GB/s for 4.8GHz XDR and XDR2 is 2 times faster

XDR2 DRAM devices are targeting 8.0GHz data rates, enabling a single DRAM device with 16GB/s of peak bandwidth. Micro-threading increases the usable bandwidth by reducing column-access granularity to 16 bytes per device. The result is a traditional 8-bank CMOS DRAM core with the performance of a 16-bank memory device. XDR2 memory interfaces will also use Rambus's proven FlexPhase™ timing circuitry with additional adaptive timing features for a more robust signaling environment at high bandwidth. The XDR2 architecture provides the capability to scale data rates beyond 8.0GHz and will provide chip and system designers with the features they need to achieve the highest performance using the fewest number of controller pins and DRAM devices.

XDR2 memory interface is targeting apps that have tremendous memory bandwidth requirements, such as 3D graphics, advanced video imaging, and network routing and switching applications. XDR2 will work at 8GHz and above, which, in case of 16-bit interface provides 16GB/s bandwidth. By contrast, similar GDDR3 memory chip at 1.20GHz can pump up to 2.40GB of data per second.


XDR2 to be 5 times faster than GDDR3
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Old May 17th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #132
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Let this be true....

4870X2 2GB (RV770X2) - $500
4870X2 1GB (RV770X2) - $450
4870 1GB (RV770) - $330
4870 512MB (RV770) - $280
4850 512MB(RV770) - $210
4850 256MB (RV770) - $180
4650 512MB (RV740) - $125
4650 256MB (RV740) - $115
4470 (RV710) - $99
4450 (RV710) - $80
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Old May 17th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #133
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Yes, we know, we previously said that the 4800 series would launch in May, but as it stands right now, we won’t be seeing the first new cards until mid-June. According To AMD’s current introduction schedule, the Radeon 4800 series will launch in week 25, which puts the day of the introduction somewhere between June 15 and June 22. What is significant about this time frame is that ATI will trail Nvidia and their new high-end chip GT200.

This comes as a major surprise, because it was widely expected that ATI will debut its RV770 chip first, followed by Nvidia's summer part. But as it stands right now, Nvidia has the pole position in a new round of the graphics wars. Of course, the GT200 and RV770 are actually not entirely comparable, because of their huge price difference. But performance-wise, we're in for a possibly close race.

ATI's Radeon 4800 series will be introduced in three flavors - as 4850, 4870 and 4870 X2. The company will also offer a “4850 256MB” (as opposed to 512 MB in other versions), but this SKU is a so-called "option" and is geared towards to the OEM/ODM/SI crowd to support them with cheaper parts for the back-to-school period and beyond.

The Radeon 4850, code-named “Makedon,” is AMD's launch board. The name, by the way, is likely to refer to Terry "Catalyst" Makedon, group manager for software and video in the AMD (ATI) graphics division. Of course, there is a small chance that Alexander The Great (Alexandros Megas, Alexandar Makedonski) may have influenced the naming, but somehow we feel that Terry has won this time.

The 4850 board features 512 MB of GDDR3 memory and is expected to be available in volume at launch. We heard that card vendors will start printing their boxes next week, which means that the specifications are final at this time. According to our sources, the 4850 will come with single-slot cooling; CrossFireX is supported with up to four boards in a single system (if you have the appropriate board based on AMD 790FX, 790GX, Intel Skulltrail, X48) and each board will require a single 6-pin PCIe power connector.

AMD will follow up in July and launch the Radeon 4870 512 MB GDDR5 and the 4870 X2 1024 MB GDDR5 (R700). The Radeon 4870 chip is built onto a board codenamed “Trojan” (could be named after a condom brand or a horse; we pick the latter) and comes with a dual-slot cooler, following the tradition of earlier XX70 boards. Our previous information about the memory buffer was a bit inaccurate, since the cost of Qimonda's GDDR5 memory apparently was not compatible with the targeted pricing of these cards. The 4870 includes 512MB GDDR5 memory and surpasses upcoming Nvidia cards in terms of bandwidth. However, if any ATI partner wants to build a 1024 MB GDDR5 board, ATI will not say no, we were told. But don't expect this to happen until early fall, since everybody wants to move as many units as possible.

In terms of performance, we heard some interesting claims. A 4870 should perform on par with or better than a dual-chip 3870 X2. Our sources explained to us that using a PCIe Gen1 controller 3870 X2 was a mistake, since the board was hungry for data and didn't sync well with this interface. Don’t expect the ATI team to repeat that mistake with the 4870 X2. However, we admit that we have no idea what kind of connection two RV770 GPUs will have.

Looking at features, ATI will promote DirectX 10.1, PCI Express 2.0, dynamic geometry acceleration and other functions that were introduced with the Radeon 3800 series. What surprises us is that the manufacturer is highlighting a "Game physics processing capability" in its launch materials. Since ATI didn't bid for Havok (which ended up in Intel’s lap) and Nvidia snapped up PhysX we wonder who provides a physics engine for ATI. Perhaps the company took a completely different direction and it simply expanded its GPGPU capabilities from professional FireStream cards to the desktop.

The Radeon 4800 series also includes 7.1 channel-via-HDMI support and color output also got a “significant” boost, our sources said. We were unable to confirm HDMI 1.3 support, but we would not be surprised if that in fact is the case. The Unified Video Decoder is now in generation 2 and is called "UVD2".

Every aspect of the GPU is monitored by PowerPlay, since ATI will be very aggressive on the power side: The boards have been designed with power in mind and the 4850/4870 won't require 8+6-pin combinations (exception: The dual-GPU 4870 X2). Power supply requirements call for a 450 watt unit for a single card and a 550 watt version for two cards. Given the fact that ATI has to state this for PoS power supplies, CrossFire should do just fine with a top notch 400 watt power supply.

Let’s talk about pricing. AMD decided to remain aggressive in an effort to win back market share. Pricing is actually set to a point where Nvidia is unlikely to be able to compete (that is at least what somebody is hoping for). Pricing guidelines are not finalized at this time, but according to several sources, the Radeon 4850 will succeed the 3850 512MB and should cost about $189-$219 at launch. Our sources indicated that 4870 GDDR5 cards will cost between $249 and $279, but somehow we feel that AMD might aim go for $199 and $249 at launch.

Given the current market, these prices could stir up the market and create quite a circus. Radeon cards could be getting lots of design wins for the back-to-school market, but our sources warned us that ATI is a bit late to the party. Qualifying of systems takes time, and tens of thousands of machines take time to be manufactured and shipped to North America. For Europe, things are more lenient, since nobody works in August and schools/universities start in September or October.

All in all, ATI will have one helluwa June and July. All eyes are now on Nvidia: Will Nvidia create a decent competitor for the sub-$300 range (55nm G92 is being prepared), or will AMD/ATI will gain market share?
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Old May 18th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #134
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OK, so never mind the delay lets just hope they will do it right this way. I curious about 4870 performance :-)
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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:05 AM   #135
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simple answer... get the 9800 gtx, its only 25 euro more... and you got the best performance you can get for the money
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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:46 AM   #136
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hmm Yes but 9800GTX is not much cheaper than 3870x2 :-). I have a little solution for people who want to built a new system without selling a kidney etc;-)
2x GF9600GT in SLI. Boy its faster than 3870x2 GF9800GTX and not losing so rough with 9800GX2. Plus 2xGF9600GT cost ~ 9800GTX !! All You need to do is but SLI mobo and 600W PSU :-D
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Old May 19th, 2008, 11:17 AM   #137
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hmm Yes but 9800GTX is not much cheaper than 3870x2 :-). I have a little solution for people who want to built a new system without selling a kidney etc;-)
2x GF9600GT in SLI. Boy its faster than 3870x2 GF9800GTX and not losing so rough with 9800GX2. Plus 2xGF9600GT cost ~ 9800GTX !! All You need to do is but SLI mobo and 600W PSU :-D

Simple. wait till june 16 and get the monster.. lol...

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14745
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Old May 19th, 2008, 11:58 AM   #138
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I still doubt 4850 or 4870 will be faster than GF9600SLI.... New games like multi-GPU's and none of single cards will change it...

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Old May 19th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #139
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I still doubt 4850 or 4870 will be faster than GF9600SLI.... New games like multi-GPU's and none of single cards will change it...

8800GT is more powerful than 9600GT and even 8800GT SLI is slower than 9800GX2 and 3870x2 @ high resolutions... say 1280+

here is the link

And ATI 4870 is said to be 25% faster than 9800GX2... so it should be easy for HD 4870 to beat 9600 SLI...

May be the Nvidia's new born baby code named GT200 ( GTX 280 and GTX 260)may beat 4870 but do remember that 4870 is just a 512MB card... and as we know Nvidia is always good @ Muscle power... coz they don't worry like our stupid ATI about power consumption ... coz.. high end cards are bought by gamers and they don't worry about Power consumption .. a guy who owns Ferrari will not worry about Fuel... ........ lol


Here is GTX 280 :
  • 240 stream processors
  • 512- bit memory interface
  • 1 GB DDR3
  • Physics Acceleration in games, made on base of phys x core.
  • Support technologies CUDA, pure video HD, direct x 10, Open GL 2.1
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Old May 19th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #140
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tHAT MEANS NOTHING. fASTEST SINGLE CARD gf9800gtx is still slower than any dual of series 8 or 3870. 3870x2 is slower than 8800GT SLI for Your info.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13967/8

You pasted from this site earlier so You have no reply like nvidia fanboy site etc... I studied that carefuly when I was choosing If too buy 8800GT SLI or 3870x2...

As I wrote before I DOUBT it will be faster than 3870x2 or any series 8 or 9 SLI

PLS think about that again as You can see fromm CPU's Dual cores are faster in new games than single CPU's... this is new games code factor...So any multi GPU will probably be faster than Your beloved 4870...
PS I play at 1280 so thats what I check performance in...

Oh yeah 1 more thing... HD2900XT was supposed to be 25% faster than 8800GTS 640MB so pls I say it again stop pasting AMD marketing slogans... I think You got it all wrong i think they said 4870x2 will be faster than 9800GX2(dual vs dual) ...Yes thats quite possible.

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