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My 780G onboard can be clocked till 850... the default is 500.. i think i can go higher... but wont take that risk......... lol



How can u say.... i did not answer ur questions.........?

People who read the complete thing will know that i am answering all ur questions...

If u feel.. i am not.... then do one thing...

Put all questions.. number vise

And then i will reply them all..... one by one

Dude.. understand this... its not difficult for ATI to make a card that can beat Nvidia's each and every model...

All they have to do is... increasing TMU's ROP's and stuff like that... but what they want is a card which dose both... cost effectiveness and technically improved...

AND u clearly know that.. ATI gets beaten my nvidia bcoz of less TMU's and Bandwidth of ati... and the AA problem they had was because of the GPU doing the AA processing and the Physics calculations... where in Nvidia cards... they have a separate processor which dose that job... thats y u see a major fall in FPS on ATI when AA turned ON

But the 4870 is havin a separate PPU and a AA processing unit which takes the load off the GPU... ok..

Is ati so dumb... that they cannot figure this out...
u think ATI wants to beat Nvidia...
ATI wants to release... low power consuming, cost effective & technically improved card.. thats all... they don't worry about FPS........

And u talk is GAME FPS.. and everyone knows most of the games are sponsored by Nvidia.. and there engineers work with game developers to make it better with NVIDIA

But expecting 15% better performance is ok

but it should be compared to a 8800GT not 9800GX2... coz 9800GX2 is a 1GB card

U should compare 9800GX2 with 4870x2...

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I WROTE IF IT BEATS 9800GTX!!!! READ LESSON NO1 Why this card? because this is the fastest single card simple as that...


For last week You wrote that it will beat 9800GX2 by 25% now Youre backing up?? No mather like i wrote before 15% - 9800GTX

Dude.. understand this... its not difficult for ATI to make a card that can beat [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Nvidia's[/color][/color] each and every model...

All they have to do is... increasing TMU's ROP's and stuff like that... but what they want is a card which dose both... cost effectiveness and technically improved...


PLS think!!! nvidia can simply increase these numbers too!! besides its not possible to give too much of them - powerconsumption, comunication between GPU-memory etc etc It is very limited what You can see watching GPU's in the past... Cards had more and more but then... wall so they startedto increasy clocks... Besides why do you think3870 has only 256bit?? HD2900XT had 512bit


2nd thing TMU's and ROP's does not = performance, Yes it was very important in the past but after reaching some limits architecture changed and now things changed... You think Ati likes to loose?? They would push as much as they can in their cards... Its simply impossible. So cant do nvidia

3870/2900/3850 had 320 streaming processors 8800GT has 112 and 9600GT ONLY 64 so where does the number take us?? DEAD END. To make it clear Both companie wouldnt do multi GPU cards if they didnt have too...why they do? because there are some limits like clocks, number of streaming processors, tmu, rop, bandwidth etc. You cant also take more from memory - clocks come to limits so they try never DDR5 but never mems = higher MHz means also higher cas latency = no performance boost...(just like in main PC memory , why You think DDR 400 MHz was faster than DDR2 667 MHz?? because it had 2,5 CL and DDR2 had 5-6 )...So they have to think a way to find faster mems...

The secret was to make best architecture(read fastest communication between components) And Yes Ati is suposse to be technicaly ahead but they cant beat nvidia why?? noone knows! thet say maybe drivers are poor. So pls dont write Ati could simply beat nvidia - if they could they would... Its not nice to look at your company falling... Anyway its similar to CPU's they reached limits so they now make Dual cores Quad and God knows what next(2-cores are perfect for now - more is marketing in the moment) so SLI, CF is something to backup ATI & Nvidia to keep selling cards - game producing companies now make games that worm much better on multi GPU cards and multi CPU's ( take a look at Call ofDuty 4 4870 wont have chances with any x2 GX2 or sli from 8,9-series remember my words ;-))

ATI wants to release... low power consuming, cost effective & technically improved card.. thats all... they don't worry about FPS.....

And Ati does worry about FPS they have to because people want to see FPS!! If it wasnt for that the strongest card would be 3650!! or people would stay with some older 9800PRO or something... Nvidia is still ahead just look 8800GT is a bit faster and still less power consuming at load than 3870!!

but it should be compared to a 8800GT not 9800GX2... coz 9800GX2 is a 1GB card

Memory size doesnt have that big to do here look at benchmarks 512MB vs 1GB the difference is minimal - simple games now doesnt need more than 512 MB - but it may change in the future

I tried to compare 4870x2 to GX2 just look what I said in previous post - and what You said ;-) doesnt mather...

IModIntel

And that is the way to go, too... Cause personally I really don't notice the difference a bove 45 FPS. So why the F**K would you empty you bank account for a card that will 100x faster than a 45-60FPS card when you'll never notice the difference.

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Thats right....

bcoz a human eye can only handle 30FPS and any more is useless... lol

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What i meant was... even if 4870 cant beat 9800GX2... it wont bother me... coz.. its a 1 GB card... but the report says.. it beats a 9800GX2...

And u talking about ropes, SP112, 128 and 320.. hehe dude do some research ok.. the pipes are of different size... 16bit p and 8bit p... there are even 4bit p so nvidia is using 16 and ATI is using 8 bit.... ok.. and the Nvidia 112 or 128 is single but ... its actually its 128x2 and 112x2 ok.

And the 320 of ati is unified...... no x2 with 320 ok

The 320Sp is good only with DX10.1... coz the DX10.1 uses streaming processor to handle AA... so when u talk about stupid DX9 or DX10 games... 320 is not of any use

320 stream processors comes from 64 pipelines 5-way super scalar processors. The 5-way superscalar units are part of the same pipeline

3870 Pipeline Layout = Super-scalar MADDx5
9800 GX2Pipeline Layout = Scalar MADD+MUL
4870 is a different one.. ok... so there are a lot of things that u need to worry about

And about the Shader Clock... ATI & Nvidia.. was using same clock for memory and shader..

But with 8800 series.. nvidia started splitting the clock and with 4870 ATI is doing the same... splitting the shader clock which will do a real good job..

And even the bus is different ATI uses 32x8 (256 bit) for 4870... but for 3870 they used 32x2 (64 bit)
and the 9800 uses 64x4 (256 bit)....

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Yes but You have 45 FPS in one game but in another Youll have 25 while better card will have 40, what then?? You dint buy GPU just to play 1 game You buy so You can use it for some period of time and games requirements rise all the time... Secondly 30 or 45 FPS isnt enough if You want to play multiplayer games... Just try to play Call of Duty 2 multiplayer or CoD4!! Youll need constand 125 FPS in COD2 to shoot smoothly from all the weapons and to jump on any objects!! + under 75 FPS Youll see some lagg. In COD4 Youll need minimum 60 FPS to shoot smoothly and 75 to do all the jumps... So If You are hardcore gamer 40 FPS is not enough in FPS games... So when You buy a new card and spend money on It You want to use it for minimum 6+ months to play...

omagic

1GB wont do much difference m8 so stop writing that ;-)



do some research m8 ;-p

Ok so I make it clear I red some article that said games need max of ~400-429 MB of video memory but this will change someday... Anyway theres a long way to 512


Remember bigger numbers dont mean bigger performance!! this is marketing

saikamaldoss

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Thant's very true for normal games....... but crysis is the game which they will use to benchmark 4870 and crysis have a higher load..... do u know that...

Games like Prey, Quake Wars, Crysis, Hellgate:London use a bit more than 512MB.. @ ultra high settings @ high res.. the ultra high texture are 1024 and 2048... and its hard on 512MB m8... atleast 1GB is needed.....

at 1024x768 GT rocks


but at 1280x1024.. GTX is closer..



AT 1600x1200.. GTX is even closer.. just about the same...



AN at 1680 and 1900+ it beats 8800GT...

So i think now it makes it clear... but there is a chance for 4870 bcoz it uses GDDR5.. and the bandwidth is higher..

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Yes DDR5 will have higher bandwidth but also will have higher latency so performace can get even ... lower:/ anyway Crysis needs more memory because it has very big locations(textures) but 512 is fair enough!!

I wouldnt expect that games will need 2GB or even 1GB for a while because max textures has FULL HD resolution which 512MB work nice with... as for 8800GT yes thats true in some games it beats the best cards because G92 has some architecture advantages( and still has only 112 Streams and lower clocks) so You see that numbers arent = perfornace... Now You can see why i picked 8800GT SLI...

As for 4870 i keep my firnger crossed for it to beat 9800GTX by more than 15% because that would let ATI to take a secord breath

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tomshard ware says...........

http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/382,news-382.html


Since the double-A after the merger, the display card product speed has exceeded rival NVIDIA, related technical specifications is also part of a new generation of ATI Radeon HD 4800 series has been ready and are expected to be part of this year COMPUTEX manufacturers Live Demo, the other hand, NVIDIA camp , The latest of them related products published by the change from G92 chip, leading to the recent release of the GeForce 9800GX2, GTX performance does not substantially exceed the previous generation at the same level, the outside world generally look to the upcoming NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (Core: 575MHz,, Memory: 1000MHz, 3dmark vantage P11000 +), 260 before the snow can be a shame. Control the area of motherboards, NVIDIA product release date repeatedly postponed, even Hyper Power technology in the related third-party motherboard products still exist some problems, and ATI's Hyper Crossfire technology has been extended to the consumer market, so private firms in this period that NVIDA Into a苦战.

AMD Radeon HD 4800 series in the upcoming occasion, announced RV770 comparison with the G92 under the specifications of advantages, including carrying GDDR5 memory, DirectX 10.1, 55-nanometer GPU, PCI-E2.0, UVD2 technology, PowerPlayer energy saving energy , Integrated HDMI video output, it is undeniable that, Radeon HD 4800 series of hardware features of the leading NVIDIA G92, regardless of costs such as AMD took the lead in the Radeon HD 4870 allocation of Qimonda GDDR5 memory, support more rapid frequency, low consumption , And other advantages, but, after all, just a technical announcement significance than actual sales help, on the other hand, it also highlights the NVIDIA card technology for the forward-looking than AMD, to a certain extent there will be some marketing help, Furthermore UVD2 The VC-1, MPEG-2, H.264 high-definition video decoding rate has exceeded NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology.

However, some features are not immediately present advantages, such as the use of DirectX 10.1 technology, technical support for the current game Shaodikelian, NVIDIA for PC GAME has been holding important part of the initiative, the latest assassins creed the game because of pressure by NVIDIA , Will be released updates to the original DirectX 10.1 effects DirectX 10, in other words, technical support DirectX 10.1 is still greater than the actual significance of technology announced sales help, but contribute to AMD's marketing strategy practices.


As NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280,260 has not yet officially released, AMD estimates in the third quarter of the targeted products were not competitive, these two products included in the relevant third party said, Radeon HD 4800 series of no less than the opponent At the same level products, from the list can still see the Radeon HD 4870 listing makes NVIDIA GeForce9800GX2 not faced pressure on the prices, the official associated Radeon HD 4850 sales, also for the current other GeForce9800 sales prices need to take follow-up strategies, such For consumers, the situation is a multi-Dali.

AMD also notice Radeon HD 4800 series was published, is expected to be introduced as the single Radeon HD 3870X2 cards dual-core products, product, code-named R700, the relevant third party said that at present, although provisional, respectively Radeon HD 4870X2, 4850X2, the total memory capacity of 1GB, but there are also only introduced Radeon HD 4850X2, in any case, it appears that the second half of 2008, ATI and NVIDIA's GPU battle will be intense.

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