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Old 30 November 2009, 15:53   #1
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Today I decided to install Scarface: The World is Yours. It's one of my favorite games. But there seems to be a problem under Windows 7. I played it on Xp without problems, I've heard the game doesn't run on Vista. But Windows 7 is supposed to be the king of compatibility
I tried to run it in compatibility mode for every OS under compatibility tab, no luck. This is what the game looks like in the beginning tutorial. Then it freezes on first cinematic


Is there any way to make this game run properly? Please help me
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Old 30 November 2009, 18:21   #2
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Try this.

If anyone is having "graphics" issues (world is missing textures/ graphics look inverted.) while trying to play scarface twiy on Vista .. try disabling all but one cpu on your system. The option is available through "msconfig" and going to "boot" > "advanced options" , tick the checkbox and choose 1 cpu , reboot and load the game.
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Today I decided to install Scarface: The World is Yours. It's one of my favorite games. But there seems to be a problem under Windows 7. I played it on Xp without problems, I've heard the game doesn't run on Vista. But Windows 7 is supposed to be the king of compatibility
I tried to run it in compatibility mode for every OS under compatibility tab, no luck. This is what the game looks like in the beginning tutorial. Then it freezes on first cinematic


Is there any way to make this game run properly? Please help me
Windows 7 = Windows Vista

1) If you have Pro ,Ultimate or Entreprise , Download the XP Virtual PC and it will work... (BTW you need a CPU who support virtualisation.It's emulation so no Hardware Acceleration(http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...e-windows-scam).

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

2) Dual Boot

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Old 1 December 2009, 18:06   #4
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Hi if you are like me and have got some great games that just keep crashing under windows 7 including your scarface game I trust.

I have pulled my hair out for 2 days trying to understand what was causing random browser crashes, random explorer crashes, random game crashes etc and I have finally found out.

its not Windows 7 that is the problem its Starforce, Tages, Securom Drivers that come shipped within the games. I know becuase I have just installed a starforce removal tool and suddenly my PC works perfectly fine with no crashes whats so ever, I tried all different apps, opened multiple windows etc etc, not 1 crash since I removed the games starforce protection drivers, however removing these drivers as now made the game un-executable.

I discovered also as I ventured into windows event viewer that every problem is associated with a protection driver or un-signed, and each one listed is at the same time my PC crashed, it seems starforce and other protection drivers try to boot and initialise everytime windows starts up, whether you are playing the game or not, as it cannot its keeps trying and trying and trying until finally it crashes, all of this is done without your consent, I only discovered that it was the protection drivers causing all my windows 7 when I ventured deeply into event viewer.

Of course the only real solution is a pirated game.exe which will bypass the protection driver, I am now forced to download a modded.exe now as now I have removed the starfoce driver it as made more than 3 games un-executable without installing the protection drivers again.

I did go to starforce site who have released a updated driver for windows 7, but its in beta stage and it did not work.

Its a shame its come to this, but if you game is old and it as older starforce, tages, securom driver on it then you might as well check out gamecopyworld its the only way your games will work.

Here is a few of my errors from event viewer, which appeared more than 5 times a day, and I have not even executed my games yet since I installed windows 7 apart from GTA4 which crashed, and trackmania sunrise which crashed, some of the others more than 4 games with these protection modules in I have not even executed yet, but its becuase drivers load up with windows, protection drivers for games load every time your PC boots without you knowing.

Here check out a few errors my event viewer.

The application (Tages Protection, from vendor Tages SA) has the following problem: A driver is installed that causes stability problems with your system. This driver will be disabled. Please contact the driver manufacturer for an update that is compatible with this version of Windows

The application (StarForce Protection, from vendor StarForce) has the following problem: The installed StarForce Protection driver is not compatible with this version of Windows and will be disabled. Applications that require this driver will not function properly without a patch

The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:
sfsync02 (sfsync02 btw stands for starforce which = starforcesync)

I am using Windows 7 x64. oh and one more think I have tried games without protection and they all work perfectly, fast and smooth. I tried PES 2009 with a modded.exe and it suddenyl worked, if I try playing PES 2009 from the original disk it crashes within 10 seconds into the loading screen. (yes it as protection driver to on the cd)

its seems that now windows 7 is here many will be forced into piracy, its the only way your old games and even some new ones will work.

Game developes really need to get thier act together and release updated windows 7 protection drivers or at least microsoft needs to make a better effort of allowing these protection drivers to run, as far as microsoft go its a combination of the DEP module and Driver verification module that causing these crashes, and they need to sort it fast, we want protecting from hackers yes, but we dont want our pcs to be protected from games with protection drivers on, DEP, User Assist, UAC Panel and all that security nonsense is making our games unplayable.

Good Luck with your games.
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Every older game works fine on my PC except for Scarface. And I did try with gamecopyworld fixes. I use them all the time because I don't like to have discs in the DVD drive while I'm playing. I'm gonna try this Virtual XP thingy and we'll see if that helps.
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Every older game works fine on my PC except for Scarface. And I did try with gamecopyworld fixes. I use them all the time because I don't like to have discs in the DVD drive while I'm playing. I'm gonna try this Virtual XP thingy and we'll see if that helps.
Hi in all honesty and truth I think you will be wasting your time, virtual XP does NOT support 3D hardware virtualization, which means 80% of your games will not even install let alone work using virtual XP, I was only reading in the PC Format magazine today about how it only good for very very old software and games that do not utilise 3D hardware rendering, like the old adventure games etc. There is NO support yet in any virtual machines even VMWare for 3D hardware rendering, you can only use software rendering, its sounds promising and good when you read about it, as I was thinking about it myself, but soon discovered its pointless and only works for very old software and games.

The BEST option of course and the only viable solution is to either dual-boot with XP and Windows 7, you would be best of to install XP SP3 x32 on one hard disk and Windows 7 x64 on another, the bootloader needs modifying if you only have 1 hard drive, but its simple enough.

In my opinion you might as well forget about this all virtual XP scenerio, its only good for testing purposes really, not gaming, NEVER GAMING, honestly trust me, been there, tired that to no avail, dual booting is your only real solution to your problems.

Good Luck Mate, but dont do as I do and spent hours downloading a virtual XP disk for Windows 7 or Windows Vista only to find, its about as much use as a chocolate fireguard if you want to play games on it, its great if you have got some very very old games from the 80s that only use software rendering, but for anything else forget it.

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Old 1 December 2009, 23:28   #7
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I was thinking about dual boot but I've never done it before. I've got 2 partitions on my HDD. "C" where Win7 is installed and "D" where I install my games and save my other media like music, TV shows etc. Is it possible to make another partition and install Xp on the new one without formatting the entire HDD first? I've never been involved in those things. I'm more of a hardware guy.
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I was thinking about dual boot but I've never done it before. I've got 2 partitions on my HDD. "C" where Win7 is installed and "D" where I install my games and save my other media like music, TV shows etc. Is it possible to make another partition and install Xp on the new one without formatting the entire HDD first? I've never been involved in those things. I'm more of a hardware guy.
Hi, before I begin I would like to talk to you about your setup, Im quite upset to see yet another guy set up multiple partitions, one for games, videos and music, etc. WHY? well first of all, its pointless, again from experience and a very advanced user, you have to realise having you hard drive this way is decreasing performance not making it better, quite a few people do this thinking its benefiting them, when in fact its making things much worse, you have to understand all a partition is another part of the SAME hard drive (of course it is) you knew that, its not another hard drive, which means every time you want to play your games and listen to music, the platter of the hard drive as to work twice as hard, and still access the primary part of the hard drive, its confusing, and even though easier, totally pointless and decreasing performance due to 2 different pagefiles which your HD platter is having to access 2, not one, and more confusion is also created, you might not realise this, but having all your games, music and videos on 1 partition will work much faster than 2, for the simple reason that your data is consilodated neatly when you defragment. all this multiple partition scenerio all started in the 90s with XP, and from old out of date tweak guides which speak about multiple pagefiles and no pagefiles etc, times and OS have changed since XP and so have hard drives and pagefiles, its totally pointless having your hard disk set up in this way, secondly there is the 2 different drive letters which cause platter, memory and HD confusion, install everything on C: simple as. all your music in my music folder all your games in program files etc, trust me Ive been there done that, and from extensive very in-depth research into how hard drives work and how data is accessed and how pagefiles are used etc, its so much simpler to have everything on 1 OS and all data on 1 partition C:

Now partitions are HELPFUL, if you use them for 2 OS, so like your original question can I install XP without affecting the main one yes you can, however, as you have installed windows 7 first and you also have a pointless D: partition drive with all your games etc on,
its going to make life complicated especially if you are not very advanced. The reason being is that yes you can do it with complication and patience, but if you just install XP and a 3rd partition and expect you can still boot into 7 forget it, you cannot.

What will happen is this, you insert your XP disk, boot from bios and goto setup, it will show 2 invalid unknown partitions, you will be able to create a third one, possibly, but XP as do all OSs want you to install them on C: so you create a 3rd partition and setup XP, when its finished it will boot successfully, but you will NO longer be able to boot into Windows 7 at all, because XP as corrupt the boot script (not intentionally) but it will be corrupt. you can fix it by going to the recovery console of windows 7 and you will then be able to boot back into 7, but now XP as become corrupt. Sound Complicated it is.

The best advice I can give you, is since you have 2 partitions anyway, with data here, there and god knows everywhere reformat, back everything up, and reformat and start a fresh. delete all your partitions and existing data.

Then install XP x32 (by any means do not think of trying XP x64 unless you want to start pulling all your hair out due to 80% lack of hardware support) put all your games or certainly your old games on XP and any old programs older than 2008, such as office 2003 or anything like that, ideally put all your old programs that are older than 2008 on XP.

Then once this as done, install windows 7 x64 (if you have the power to support x64 and over 3GB of Ram) and install all your new software 2009 and all your newer games onto 7 and use the internet on windows 7.

This is the ideal scenerio, but you still need to modify the bootscript after you have put windows 7 on as at first launch you will have lost XP but once you have modified the bootscript, once you boot up it will ask if you wish to boot into XP or Windows 7. JOB DONE.

There are plenty of guides and how to modify the bootscript on the net, just google words such as:

dual boot windows 7 and XP
Install Windows 7 on XP Partition.
Install XP after Windows 7
Install Windows 7 after XP.

Etc.

The REAL SOLUTION to all this bootscript complication is to simply buy a second hard disk, 1 with Windows 7 and 1 with Windows XP. and then each time you boot configure the bios to which hard drive you wish to boot first. this is what I have done in the past and it worked perfectly and the good news about doing it this way, every time you boot into either 7 or XP your hard drive will be C: Letter - The Letter which WINDOWS JUST LOVES, ever since the days of Windows 98, Windows is addicted to the letter C: and will at times give you crashes if it cant find that letter it loves so much. LOL...

of course you can do the bootscript thingy works well, but it will change the drive letter and keep the change permanent. if you do the bootscript thingy make sure windows 7 is on C: Letter VERY VERY IMPORTANT. if 7 is not C: well you are going to have some problems, maybe not now but later, especially when it comes to updates, some people will say it is just a drive letter and its not important whether it is D: F: G: X: Z: but it does matter, it matters a lot.

Anyway good luck and I hope I have been able to help.

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Windows 7 = Windows Vista

1) If you have Pro ,Ultimate or Entreprise , Download the XP Virtual PC and it will work... (BTW you need a CPU who support virtualisation.It's emulation so no Hardware Acceleration(http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...e-windows-scam).

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

2) Dual Boot
as you mentioned in point one VT does not enable you hardware access to gpu.
which means... it will NOT work as you cant play a 3d game without 3d hardware?
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Thanks, I didn't know that stuff about partitions and performance. But I don't think it's a good idea to go through all that trouble with dual boot just to be able to play one game. It's Remedy's fault anyway. Something to do with bad Dx coding I heard. Maybe I'll just get another PS2 one of these days. God knows I miss MGS3 and God of War too
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