|  | | Today's Violence Infested World |
Posted by Chaos
on July 28th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I thought this would be a good place to post my thoughts on violent crimes in today's world. I have my own thoughts on why things have changed so radically for the worse in my particular part of town so here goes. What really messes me up though is the violence involved in the streets today. In my day the drug trade was controlled by the motorcycle gangs, not a bunch of kids running around shooting people over $100 crack debts. This is what has driven me to write about this.
As a 45 year old male I have seen many things during my years on this planet, but nothing that compares to the streets today. It seems that at least one person in every crowd is now packing a 9mm or some form of handgun. Not only is that a fast track to prison but a quick way to ruin what may have been a promising life for the one that gets their ass capped.
I smoked weed for the first time in grade 6 and unfortunately ventured on to experiment with the majority of different substances available to me. Lucky for me it never went beyond the point of no return and I managed to carry on a somewhat normal life for the most part. During my years of experimenting I saw pretty much everything imaginable. Thankfully my fear of needles kept me from going down that road or who knows if I would even be here to write this.
Those that know me are aware that I work for a community centre in a low income part of town that is infested with Crack addiction. Every day the cops go racing past here with sirens blasting and are often then followed by an ambulance. In the 3 years that I have worked here in the hood there have been several murders including one gentleman that I had become very good friends with but for what!!!!!! This person in question was whacked over the head from behind with a shovel first and then tasered by the police because he was trying to get into the neighbours house to call an ambulance.
In our day as I said the Bikers ran things but people were not being killed off in record numbers. Actually there was hardly ever any major violent crimes tied to the drug trade though all the drugs available today were also available then. I have to say my feelings are mixed. When the bikers ruled; their was the intimidation factor.
I mean lets face it, who wants some 6' 5" 250lb bearded Harley Davidson driving monster kicking their door in. The thing is at least in those days people could discuss payment options and while they may have taken a lump or two or three at least they had the chance to get their ass out of the situation. Shooting someone was always the last resort. Today with the youth gangs running wild their is no longer any form of reasoning, it's seems like its shoot first; and then if the person survives ask question later.
So my question to you folks is this: Do you think that by forcing the Bikers out of their controlling position has helped clean up the streets or only made the problem worse?
Last edited by Regeneration; May 1st, 2008 at 09:15 PM..
| | | | 47 Comments | | | Before people start saying that I am in favour of Bikers and organized crime, I am not; but I do feel that there was far less violent crime when the Hells Angels were running the show. | | | | I believe the problem with violence today is actually because of governments and corruption. First of all, parents are not allowed to slap their kids and to teach them between good and evil. In today’s world, you may find yourself in trouble if you will slap your kid. The first problem is with the parental education, and governments are preventing from parents to teach their children.
The second problem is with corruption. In your area, cops don’t give a shit about what’s going on. But in rich area, they would react in a few seconds. Rich people get better treatment from the government and enforcement agencies, because they are rich. Today’s economy and corporation are below red lines. The rich are getting richer while the poor are being ripped off.
These criminals have no education and it’s hard for them to earn money, so they deal with illegal stuff to survive and to eat. I believe they are the victims for the current economy. Look at that bitch Britney Spears, and she makes millions for what? Singing? Dancing? While people have no money to eat. All these corporations are ripping off the market, every asshole is making millions while poor people have nothing to eat.
In today’s world, people without money are pigs for the government. Instead of balance, the governments are ripping the poor and push them into crime. Every congressman is getting bloated paychecks, and every pop star or movie star gets millions. Who do you think is sponsoring these bastards? We do! We pay taxes so Mr. President could buy two private jets. Instead of using this money on good purposes, they are giving bloated paychecks. We pay taxes so these assholes could sit and do nothing.
If the police and the government are ignoring these issues and allow murders in your area, someone has to fucking sue them both. I don’t know about you, but in my area there’s a special court for governmental issues, we call it ‘Bagatsz’ (High Court for Justice), and you can go there and sue the government for their lacks.
The main problem is that most politicians are businessmen, and they applied for these jobs just for the money, not because they CARE. Look at places like Dubai, they have no crime there because the government is fine and the economy is fair and balanced.
So it’s all about money. If you have money then everyone (government, police, etc..) will provide you with a good treatment. If you’re not rich, then they will ignore you. Look at girls for example, they are all looking for rich guys. In today’s world people are being rated by their MONEY, people don’t give a shit if you’re a good guy or not, all they care about is your financial condition |
Last edited by Regeneration; July 28th, 2007 at 05:26 PM..
| Quote | | | | | I want to get some youth response to this question to see if it helps me understand where they are coming from. I mean I do understand that one needs money to survive and we have to provide for our families whatever way we know how to, but what good is the shooting?
It's awful hard to collect money from a corpse don't ya think? | | | | In some countries, people are killing each other for a tiny piece of bread. In some countries, people are EATING each other. Crime is the result of bad economy, that’s a fact. | | | | I think you are absolutely right Chaos we are close to the same age and remember what things used to be like here in Canada. Kingston where I live is a city of under 150,000 people and 20 years ago you could walk the streets at midnight safely. Not now the world is a changed place !!
As for bikers well I have a lot of friends who are and they are good people. As for crime well like you said they would really have to screw up big time for them to act with extreme violence or murder .... can't collect money from a corpse and your right.
I would like to see some replies and feedback from younger members of the Forum as well as they will shape the world as we know it in the future.
All my thoughts for now ..... | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Daddy  I think you are absolutely right Chaos we are close to the same age and remember what things used to be like here in Canada. Kingston where I live is a city of under 150,000 people and 20 years ago you could walk the streets at midnight safely. Not now the world is a changed place !! | Here in this hood I wouldnt feel safe any time after the sun goes down. Yeah we used to be able to roam the streets day or night without issue  Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Daddy As for bikers well I have a lot of friends who are and they are good people. As for crime well like you said they would really have to screw up big time for them to act with extreme violence or murder .... can't collect money from a corpse and your right. | Yeah I know a few Angels and they always adhered to some sort of code of ethics, I mean you really had to screw up bigtime or get caught doing one of their ladies, which would be utter stupidity IMO. But the latter was a quick way to develop multiple contusions |
Last edited by Chaos; July 28th, 2007 at 06:43 PM..
| Quote | | | | | Im so fotunate to have mostly been spared from the wave of violence that is rushing trought the major cities worldwide (i live in a small town with about 3500 residens) But for the past 3 years things have changed, drug related breakins and violence count now for 80% of the crimestat in our small county, drug addicts are 10 times wore then alcoholics cause drugs cost way more than booze and the social support they get can hardly cover 1/3 of their abuse, so to get drugs they break into medical facilities or stores to get money or drugs to support their habbits. They are slo very violent and have mental problems due to the drugs they use. | | | | Hey,
Some of you wanted some answers form the younger members of this forum. I just turned 16 and I have got to be agreeing with all that was said previously.
What Regeneration said about the governement 'not letting' parents educate their children properly is right I think. They don't people my age's parentd to get aggresive and teach them things the hard way. My dad has raised me the other way, showed me GOOD MANNER and tought me things the hard way.
Many of the people I know have parents that don't support them s**t amd then they do stuff that will later ruin their lives simply because their parents did not make them aware that whatsoever thing was bad.
I have sympathy for the poor that are suffering their asses off because the cause of their poverty isn't their fault. When I went to New York City for the first time, I was walking on Wall Street when I saw a black man who had like 8 teeth missing, glasses with only a lens on one side, anyways real poor and fucked up. And the worst is that he was on one of the most commercially rich and active sectors of the world. Yet businessmen kept walking by him to get to their shiny black 250 000$ Mercedes-Benz and ignoring this guy. I had 250$ cash in US money and also a little bit of Canadian money and I gave 50$ to him straight up. IT was like as if Jesus had made a revelation to him or something. And its wierd isn't it, but im not a hotshot businessman, im a normal 16 year old kid from Canada (Quebec)
I have sympathy for those who get into crime because their parents didn't give a fuck. But I don't have any sympathy for those who get into crime because they ignored theur parents' advices because he though they were shitheads or something.
The education my parents have given me has served me well so far I think. I've never been drunk (but ive had alcohol before) when people my age are often getting drunk at parties and even in their own parents' house. I've never taken any form whatsoever of drugs (except coffee  ) when people are getting stoned out of their heads as young as 12 yrs old. It'S true when it was more organized bikers gangs that were ruling, like regenration said they didn't kill people for a 5$ debt, and they sold shit to adults, not kids that were still in elementary school. | | | | it sounds as though your parents have done a great job in your case. Make them proud and continue to make smart choices. Many of my friends ask me why I work where I do since the $ is not great by any means and the only reason I have to tell them is, if I can help one of these youth make smarter choices then I made then it's all good. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by IModIntel
I have sympathy for those who get into crime because their parents didn't give a fuck. But I don't have any sympathy for those who get into crime because they ignored theur parents' advices because he though they were shitheads or something.
The education my parents have given me has served me well so far I think. I've never been drunk (but ive had alcohol before) when people my age are often getting drunk at parties and even in their own parents' house. I've never taken any form whatsoever of drugs (except coffee ) when people are getting stoned out of their heads as young as 12 yrs old. It'S true when it was more organized bikers gangs that were ruling, like regenration said they didn't kill people for a 5$ debt, and they sold shit to adults, not kids that were still in elementary school. |
Hi everybody...
Hum...I just wanna say something....
We always have a choice.
Getting into crime because "your parent's don't give a fuck" is,in my opinion,something
childish,and coward.
Not everybody is born rich.So what?
I'm french,and there is a sentence in french..
Les ruisseaux font les rivières..
wich seems to mean,in english (google trad,sorry ^^') : many a little makes a muckle
I assume that in the good old days,it meant than some people,born not rich,grew themselves up,to become someone.
Why should this sentence couldn't be true anymore?
Why people are now more ready to go to the easier path than the harder one?
When we all know that life is gonna get harder and harder...
I'm french,allready said that,but lol...I'm horrified when I see the french youth,
who now blames the system,on and on,just because they are not rich,they don't get enought money form the governement,(even if you can now have help for your rent,your medical care are nearly free,etc,etc..)
Oh,just as a precision...
I'm 20,I left family in New Caledonia,came all the way down to France to do some studies,on my own,
no help from the government,I don't care..I'm not a begger..I just work hard...
And I don't wan't it to be different.
Life seems more fair,more juicy,more cool,to me when I can buy something I earnt,something I desserve...
Of course,there is an "Elite",ruling the world and sucking a lot of this world's blood...our blood...
But hey...burning cars,annoying other people..that's not a solution...
Like Stallone said in his last movie...some people just look for someone,something to blame as soon as they don't wanna gfght to be who they wanna be...something like big shadows...
Crime is just the thing who is going to drive us to our end...
Weakening the mass,the population,giving more strenght to the "Elite" in their Ivory towers...
If all the humble people just...you know..stand together,and fight...kids going to school,achieving studies,just work...well...people would get stronger,and be able to lead their world wherever they want...
But no..some lazy fucking big boy just don't wanna work,so they screw it up,hidding themselves behind fate,politic oppression,etc,etc...
Oh...and...I don't think than drinkin'beer or any alcohol is bad..
I've been drinkin since... well,not everyday,but..you know..in New Calédonia,on a surf trip or whatsoever...
And it didn't made me a bad person...that's an old religious shit we should get rid of...
Everything should be allowed,as soon as people can handle it,and take it in reasonnable proportion..which seems impossible...
Cuz mankind can just not stop itself..always more...
More more more...
Well...
Just wanted to..say something..lol..
Don't know if you got my point...sorry for the bad english...
Bye bye  | | | | Don’t forget that many parents don’t have enough time to educate their kids because they are too busy working. The prices are always raising while their paycheck remains in the same position. People can’t feed their kids and teach them in the same time, they have to work to feed their kids and to pay bills.
The government is not helping to balance the social level, as I said, rich people get more money and the poor are getting crap. Look at the world. People are starving in Africa why worldwide celebrities have 2-5 private jets. These poor people are fighting to survive, and they will kill for five bucks just to survive. Congressmen get shit loads of cash FOR WHAT? For sitting in some lame office where they could sexually harass poor girls?
We all pay taxes and instead of using it for good purposes, they are using it for bloated paychecks for assholes. The Corporations are pretending to help people, but they rip them off. For example, my country’s economy is really bad, and you know how much Windows costs here? Instead of being helpful, they are selling it for $500 USD! Like 400% higher then in the US. What kind of help is it? People are working for 24/7 for food while greedy corporations are paying millions for their CEOs
Mark my words, WW3 would be between East vs. West, and WW4 would be between poor people vs. rich people.
Rich people are so greedy, they are destroying the world by cutting all these trees, they are corrupting the entire planet. Earthquakes and disasters are the reaction of the entire corruption. They remove entire forests just to build malls and to make more money, sooner or later, the entire human kind will pay for these crimes. The ozone and global warming is nothing compared to the future.
This world will not survive just because the human race is too greedy and stupid. These problems are just minor results/small punishment for this greed. The final punishment would be the destruction of planet Earth and their money would be useless then. Greed could kill us all. | | | | +1 Rege...
My point was just to say that getting into crime is not the answer.
Actually I'm going through studies to be able to build the firt spacecraft in history in order to begin again,far from the falling earth and the predjudices that had divided us for so long...( yeah I'm a Freelancer lover so what !!!  )
Who's in?
Who bring the beer for our first extraterrestrial barbecue? | | | | Quote: |
Look at places like Dubai, they have no crime there because the government is fine and the economy is fair and balanced.
| Dubai's backbone is built from 21st century style slavery of Filipinos and Indians. The only reason that place is prospering is because of a few cunning minds running things, spending oil money properly so when it runs out they'll survive and the fact that many countries have interests there (The US in particular). | | | | [quote=Regeneration;52254]Don’t forget that many parents don’t have enough time to educate their kids because they are too busy working.[quote=Regeneration;52254]
Then, people should be smart enough and plan that in advance, instead of having kids that they can't educate. | | | | ok but what about the original question....
Do you think that by forcing the Bikers out of their visible controlling position would help clean up the streets or only make the problem worse by having the young street gangs running the show? | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaos ok but what about the original question....
Do you think that by forcing the Bikers out of their visible controlling position would help clean up the streets or only make the problem worse by having the young street gangs running the show? | It will change nothing. | | | | I agree with you on the last comment you made Rege and I have a reason for it ...
The problem today is that the world and the world's youth have become desensitized to violence and the basic building blocks that make us human beings. These include compassion for fellow man and respect for piers ... Chaos you know what I am talking about man. We watch people being beheaded on the news due to politics and hear of atrocities being committed overall that just make me ill thinking about it.
My point is this Chaos and perhaps this is what Rege was touching on. In this day and age as I sit here and type this reply on July 30 / 2007 what would the impact of morals and values we respected 20 years ago change RIGHT NOW !!
Nothing and let me tell you something if something doesn't change soon the 3rd rock from the sun isn't gonna be here as long as we f**king think 
All for now  | | | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Daddy I agree with you on the last comment you made Rege and I have a reason for it ...
The problem today is that the world and the world's youth have become desensitized to violence and the basic building blocks that make us human beings. These include compassion for fellow man and respect for piers ... Chaos you know what I am talking about man. We watch people being beheaded on the news due to politics and hear of atrocities being committed overall that just make me ill thinking about it.
My point is this Chaos and perhaps this is what Rege was touching on. In this day and age as I sit here and type this reply on July 30 / 2007 what would the impact of morals and values we respected 20 years ago change RIGHT NOW !!
Nothing and let me tell you something if something doesn't change soon the 3rd rock from the sun isn't gonna be here as long as we f**king think
All for now | i've been playing and watching violent video games/movies for ever, and im not desensitised to violence... infact i hate it... the only time i would ever act in a violent manner is in the defense of myself or another.
Video games don't make me wanna kill people... PEOPLE make me wanna kill people | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart i've been playing and watching violent video games/movies for ever, and im not desensitised to violence... infact i hate it... the only time i would ever act in a violent manner is in the defense of myself or another.
Video games don't make me wanna kill people... PEOPLE make me wanna kill people |
Exactly Squall and this is about real life not video games. We have all become desensitized to some extent even us older farts like Chaos and myself ... on Dyre lets not go there *cough* lol
My point was that we remember a world you never had a chance to see and we remember that and cringe sometimes watching the news or hearing a 5 year old child at a super market tell a mother to "Go F**k yourself" because he / she can't get there own way. It comes down to respect and values Squall and you know everyone I meet from Australia young and old seem to have that. Hey you can be a smart ass at times but I know your heart is in the right place.
This IS the type of feedback I wanted to read and sure others did as well ... keep it coming !!
All for now |
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| Quote | | | | | yes well, my kid tells me to go f**k myself, and they'll be either
1.smacked
2.have thier mouth washed out with soap.
3. grounded.
4. all of the above... god knows i would've been.. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_leonhart 2.have thier mouth washed out with soap. |
Sounds familiar to me | | | | Quote: |
2.have thier mouth washed out with soap.
| I use arctic silver 5. Cools down the temper and you only need to use a little bit (it usually works before you apply it). | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixlord I use arctic silver 5. Cools down the temper and you only need to use a little bit (it usually works before you apply it). | LMAO | | | | I know none of you know me, but I've read NGO for a long time and after seeing this thread I decided to sign up, as this is something that has affected me a lot in my short years on this planet (I'm only just 18 by the way).
A few years ago I had a friend who got really deep in to drugs, and without going into details she ended up dead because of her dealer.
Luckily, the bastard ended up in jail, but that's not the point. I lost a very close friend, and it really opened my eyes to the world.
I'm not the most well-off person, but I had a comfortable up-bringing, and my parents were quite strict, taught me manners, right from wrong, and even smacked me if I did something stupid (you know, like everyone used to) and I guess you could say that until that point I'd lived a blinkered existance, always thinking that all the bad stuff only happened to other people.
I don't pretend to know everything, but what I do know horrifies me. We moved from where we used to live because a gang war started up (and this is in the UK). Quite a few people died and there were a lot of innocent casualties. It was the worst thing that I've ever seen personally.
There will always be an "underworld" as such, but it was never as bad as it is today. Anyone and everyone can get caught up in it, even if you don't do drugs or whatever. Even an innocent bystander.
You can all blame the parents as much as you want, but it is NOT their fault. I've known a few people who had strict parents, who brought them up like I was, but everything changed. When I was brought up, I never knew I had rights, but now a days everyone knows what rights they have, and they seem to think that everyone should respect them no matter what. They think that because they have a gun, or are part of some gang no one has ever heard of, they deserve respect, and if they aren't treated with respect they'll kill you.
I've always been one to stand up to people who annoy me, or who is doing something wrong, but to be honest, I'm terrified of it now. I've seen so much happen that the next person I stand up to could have a knife, or a gun, and would shoot me without hesitation because I didn't show them respect.
In answer to your question, what you need to understand is that drugs will always be around, so what's the lesser of two evils? | | | | excellent post Darknova, I like hearing from younger folks when it comes to this sort of thing. I see it ground level on a daily basis working where I do and it scares me the way certain peops think they can demand respect regardless of the fact that they may be just a punk with an attitude.
As to your response to the question, to me the lesser of the two was the "old skool" way so to speak. At least you knew what you were dealing with from day to day | | | | The thing is I've done drugs, I know what it's like, not particularly proud of it, but the thing is, it's no where near as bad as they make out, especially not the weaker stuff. The thing that is scary, is that unless you know exactly who you are dealing with, and exactly where they get it, you can never be sure if it's pure, or if they've mixed a load of shit with it. Sometimes it can be lethal. I know someone who spent time in hospital because the guy mixed some plant with cannibis and it turned out to be poisonous.
I have suggested legalising drugs but putting heavy restrictions on it. Look at amsterdam. It's like anything, in small quantities it's not bad. The research they do is based on constant use in large quantities. Alcohol and cigarettes are more damaging than using cannabis a few times, so why is that not banned?
I'm not here saying I'm an angel, or that I can fix the problem, but I've been there, I've watched countless people lose their lives, some very very dear to me. So I can atleast make a good go of it eh? | | | | Darknova a warm welcome to NGOHQ and some nice posts there I enjoyed reading them. Hey we have all smoked a little weed at one point right but most don't become excessive about it and it is those that dwell in the harder stuff that are the problem.
As Chaos said nice to here once again a younger point of view and as he said sounds like you have an "Old School" upbringing as we did. The world is changing but nice to see it all hasn't if ya know what I mean. Talking to my good friend Stacey from Louisiana's 15 year old son JC on the phone last night about career options. What I noted is he never calls me Dave he says thank you sir ... yes sir ... now that impressed me quite a bit that respect it really made me smile.
Thanks again for the posts Darknova and hope to see you posting more make yourself at home here
And on another topic ................. Quote:
Originally Posted by Unixlord I use arctic silver 5. Cools down the temper and you only need to use a little bit (it usually works before you apply it). | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLL | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Darknova The thing is I've done drugs, I know what it's like, not particularly proud of it, but the thing is, it's no where near as bad as they make out, especially not the weaker stuff. The thing that is scary, is that unless you know exactly who you are dealing with, and exactly where they get it, you can never be sure if it's pure, or if they've mixed a load of shit with it. Sometimes it can be lethal. I know someone who spent time in hospital because the guy mixed some plant with cannibis and it turned out to be poisonous.
I have suggested legalising drugs but putting heavy restrictions on it. Look at amsterdam. It's like anything, in small quantities it's not bad. The research they do is based on constant use in large quantities. Alcohol and cigarettes are more damaging than using cannabis a few times, so why is that not banned?
I'm not here saying I'm an angel, or that I can fix the problem, but I've been there, I've watched countless people lose their lives, some very very dear to me. So I can atleast make a good go of it eh? |
Cannabis is linked to Psychosis
Alcohol and Cigarettes aren't.. theres the difference. | | | | with out reading the whole thread
I been threatened twice in the last two days
one guy right in my face ,i had too step back and tell him i was not gonna let him step near me again ,then my step father showed up ,he turned whiter ran off saying he was gonna get me C&%t
the guy two doors up (a dispute going out of control) as well
the truth hurts his wife was going at my next door neibour .i called her a stupid bitch for taking his shit and him a stupid violet moron
women on the shit are as bad as guys
he was listening the corner and showed up too drag her away, while telling me was gonna get me in the street
I don`t really take these guys too seriously boath beat their wives.
I will hit back and they know it.
But its not who`s selling the drugs(so much)
it`s the drug it`s self around here
ICE ( meth amphetamine )
not good shit
I smoke weed and drink beer,and have done my time with hard drugs,i know what too look for
and that ice shit really has too be cleaned up
all drugs should be regulated
extacy is a fun drug for kids but that PMA, or parameth-oxyamphetamine is sold by bad dealers as extacy and has a death rate
i never been attacked by a kid on E
but the govt sells alcahol
yup had a drunk threaten to kill my whole family a few years ago
p.s we are still here
| | | | I hear ya dude. ICE is not prevelant here but crack is everywhere, I also believe that while weed is not really a good thing it's is far less likely to cause violence than booze or crack or meth.
Thanks for the input | | | | Hello Chaos and Ngohq ,
I don’t know how to start this out first - but I'll start off by saying - Thank you Chaos for working at a community centre- I assume that you work with the community and help it's residents out - I am guessing it can be hard on you, but as well as so rewarding - I want to just say Thank you for doing that much needed work - G-d bless you for it .
This is my reflection on why we have a violence filled world :
I believe it all starts with the family - the micro level of society .... If one has a good upbringing - good ideals, morals , role models - *usually everything works out well for the person, as well as for society .... If one has a good upbringing, childhood - I hope - when things get tough - they have something to fallback on ....
When people grow up in hard, difficult - uncaring and neglectful - homes - I think that is when society starts getting problems . Unfortunately, some turn to vices - be it drug use, violence, evil speech, etc... - and that is when it (society) starts to fall apart.
I believe that without the proper instruction, education, role-modeling and *healthy relationships - people start to fall apart and do bad things... It is sad to hear all this violence, hate and sin* in our world today - But, I also strongly believe that those that fall into that vicious, painful and merciless cycle of vice - that there is hope! If we all started to to do one act of goodwill, one act of kindess* to one another - without strings attached - have compassion on those that have fallen - if people today would go out of their ways to say a good kind word, instead of a deriding one- if people talked , honestly and sincerely - to one another - if people put one self in other peoples shoes - if we had a *heart for our fellows that are down, suffering - Maybe, just maybe, we could see a world of difference in this world- our world....
I just believe that we all need to take action and do something good, noble and caring- a act of kindess at a time - for each other- starting with our family's. G-d willing, the world will slowly , but with G-d's help - get better and better- not only for us- but for all of us.
I hope this short reflection helps ....
- Edward | | | | excellent post Edward, yes it does break down when there is no strong family unit, which is far too common today. Ya the job has it's tense moments but someone has to work the frontline jobs and seing the changes that certain individuals make is very rewarding. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaos excellent post Edward, yes it does break down when there is no strong family unit, which is far too common today. Ya the job has it's tense moments but someone has to work the frontline jobs and seing the changes that certain individuals make is very rewarding. |
Thank YOU Chaos! 
You are many people's hero, including mine!
What you do is such an act of selflessness, goodness and hope - It is what makes the world a better place
I just can't tell you how much your work is needed today - I'll go even to say it is Holy work - How? - Every person you have helped, help and will help get on their feet again is such a *awesome deed - It is like your saving, in a way, a whole world from desruction! Know what i mean? And that, my friend, is absolutely priceless - actually- it is hard to describe in words - so good it is what you do
Anyway, I just wanted to reply to your post - I'm happy you enjoyed (i guess) my response
G-d bless you Chaos so much for your Holy work And always do your work with a smile
G-d bless,
Edward | | | | Honestly I blame popular media and high school drop outs more than anything or any one else. you don't necessarily have to hit your kids, although its an easy quick way. I turned out to be quite passive. not to say that i wouldn't beat some one up for hitting my girl friend, BUT I'm usually a pretty nice guy.
I'm not a religious person; alot of violence is around personal beliefes in my expirience. Im only 16 so I'm problably not a good person to ask considering i have not been on the earth that long, But if i had a nickle for every time i saw a fight due to the influence of rappers/ hip hop/ rmb in younger or older children id be soo rich by now.
I can see that this was a very good post. alot of opinions here | | | | I'm of a similar age to you Chaos and live in the UK...and although we don't have the same level of violence as in the USA you can see we are going down the same route...
Here it all seems to have started with gangs of youths just hanging around the streets causing lower grade nuisance type behaviour and more minor criminal damage type of crimes...
In these groups all that seems to matter to the youths is their own kudos within the group...and the more extreme an individuals behaviour the more kudos they get.
So in the abscence of any control or role model or even set of standards the behaviour just gets more extreme. And of course as has been mentioned parents and the education system aren't allowed to teach youngster respect any more....all society seems to do is drum into people today is the rights of the individual...these youths seem to think that is the right for them to do whatever they want regardless of its impact on others...."rights" are something that society allows to individuals who have earned them as a contributing member of that society or at least someone that abides by its rules.
The upshot of this now is that in the bigger cities we are now having gang related gun and knife crime and a regular death toll of youngsters in their mid teens.
It's a job to know what the answer is...I was a policeman for 23 years and have seen and been involved in many schemes that try to get youths off the street but it the long run they generally fail...it seems because of a lack of self discipline and lack of respect for anything or anyone that all they are interested in is this street gang culture...may seem harsh but I've come to believe that the only answer is enforced discipline via curfew and anti gathering laws for younger people and much stricter educational regeims. | | | | OUCH, technogiant. I see what u mean but I feel kind of bad reading that since I AM a kid mid teen-ish area. Not that there's anything bad with it, its just that I don't want to have to suffer because of the idiots in my age group. Altho its problably the only way to get anything done :P | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dammit45 OUCH, technogiant. I see what u mean but I feel kind of bad reading that since I AM a kid mid teen-ish area. Not that there's anything bad with it, its just that I don't want to have to suffer because of the idiots in my age group. Altho its problably the only way to get anything done :P | Yeah I know it seems tough and it is a shame that idiots always ruin things for everyone that includes the many good youngsters and the older people that are just trying to live their lives.
From my experience when ever I was called to group/gang related disorder, when the police get there all the youths are instantly good as gold and know nothing about what has been going on....members of the public that called the police are often and understandably too afraid to identify offenders or get involved to support any prosecution and so they get away with it.
Thats why I think that curfew and anti gathering laws are required...in those circumstances they youths are commiting an offence just by being there and can so be dealt with by the police without having to involve the public as witnesses. It does sound harsh but some times needs must. | | | | This world is going down big time. The other week, I arrived home, watched the news as usual. There is a guy in the subway terminal right next to my college that plays guitar there every day. One day, some guy who obviously didn't like his musical style slit his throat open with a kitchen knife.
I'm only 17, and by what older people tell me of how it was in their day, this really makes me wonder on the desiny of the world. As for my opinion, a couple of things should not exist: any drug other than alcohol and weed, C-RAP, Hip-hop, rnb, anyways the list is way to extensive to be filled.
Alcohol and weed taken with moderation can't hurt anybody. Anything totally unnatural like extasy, crack, ice is deep shit. The first thing parent should teech their kinds is moderation, then, teech them that there are better ways than a bullet to deel with things. | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by technogiant Yeah I know it seems tough and it is a shame that idiots always ruin things for everyone that includes the many good youngsters and the older people that are just trying to live their lives.
From my experience when ever I was called to group/gang related disorder, when the police get there all the youths are instantly good as gold and know nothing about what has been going on....members of the public that called the police are often and understandably too afraid to identify offenders or get involved to support any prosecution and so they get away with it.
Thats why I think that curfew and anti gathering laws are required...in those circumstances they youths are commiting an offence just by being there and can so be dealt with by the police without having to involve the public as witnesses. It does sound harsh but some times needs must. |
I know what you mean, although from experience you should know that some of society's less enthusiastic will rebel. I try not to be around kids who make trouble, but I do have a couple of friends who are pretty stupid. One of the trouble kids i know is named Josiah; he goes on things that are nick named "Beer Runs". While he had a broken collar bone, he: walked into a liquor store, looked the clerks in the eyes, graps a 30 (or so pack) of beer, smiles and says "I GOT YOUR BEER" and runs off...
Well, It didn't all end there, after he ran about 1/4th of a mile, he goes to OUR high school (James Madison High) and starts selling the shit 2 bucks a can. All the while a cop is searching for him; The same cop who he evaded with the beer along the path to Madison high.
i guess where I'm going with this is that, putting all kids on lock down wont stop all of It. The more intimidated will sit when told, but will only piss off the ones who don't give a shit. Plus the more strict rules may make stray out of line every now and again.
btw I live in California San Diego(the only bad thing we have here is the drug addicts)
theres minor problems, I'm NOT being rascist here BUT the Mexicans who call them selves "Gehtto Thug Border Hoppers" ARE causing ALOT of trouble they think thatthey can rule It all.
(im a fourth mexican [not rasist]) | | | | Yeah dammit45 I understand you about gangs. Here in Quebec, Montreal North is filled with these black Haitian gangs that threaten everybody's that non-black.
There's a town about 15 minutes of where I live called Boisbriand. There's a Hissidic Jewish ''Community'' there (they call it a community, but believe me it looks more like an enclave) and if you are not Jewish and go through there you get run after, thrown stuff on, anything to get you out of there. They have absolutely no bilingual signs, which is an infraction here in Quebec; everything is written in Hebrew. As a proud bilingual Canadian, I'm not racist but I believe that I should be able to take a fucking walk anywhere I go without having the fear of being beaten or SHOT by somebody or a group of people of foreign nationality. So fuck all the immigrants who come here just to fuck people and create bad neighborhoods. Our governement is much too soft in that domain. | | | | Yeah, i know what your saying IModIntel. We are WAY to easy on immigrants in California. I just wish people would stop being concerned about rights and straighten there crap out.
We have a Jewish community here, but mostly there the ones getting harassed. People of all ages here still think its fun to beat up on people because their different. Not too long ago i got a milk shake thrown at me from a car window; the people who did it said something about skating being better (i was on a bike). | | | | uncontrolled population growth + the dumbing down of society = more people suffering hard times, which of course = more violent crime. most of these kids aren't simply killing for the thrill of it, they are desperate people with no few options.
as for the bikers, they are still every bit as bloodthirsty as any other gang you can name and many of them will kill you over something as simple as making eye-contact. they are still out here working large segments of the crime community and still killing people over money, believe it, they are not a lesser evil by any means, just a smaller faction. | | | | Ill have to agree with the fact that Cannabis does not tend to make some one more violent,
and the only reason its linked to psychosis is because its a hallucinogen
I smoke weed, Im not a violent person, while im on the stuff I tend to over imagine things that happen but im no more violent than i am sober,
Violence among Influence by drugs and alcohol is ussualy based on the person
happy or angry drunks, my friends a a violent drunk because while hes sober hes a pissed off little kid,
I was raised believing that no one should under go harm,
and no influence will change my mind.
(ive done cocaine, extacy, alcohol, cannabis, heroin, and maybe more)
but I've only do alcohol and cannibis more than once, I should realy stop experimenting tho
curiosity killed the cat and all that | | | | I think a massive dose of chlorine in the gene pool would sort things out. | | | | While I agree street crime in certain cities is bad, even here where i live which isnt a huge city ive been jumped before while walking down the street, luckly im a pretty big guy so they did not get anything but it really takes away from your enjoyment of the city and limits your freedom which i think is wrong.
However, this isnt a new thing, things have actually calmed down since yesterday's, back in the older ages things were 100x worse, if you werent off fighting a war then you were just trying to saurvive and thugs were the least of your worries as your own government or church would kill you even faster if they felt like it.
So yes, i agree violence today is bad, but its not as bad as it was, which isnt saying that its good because i agree that something needs to be done about it.
I have a theory on it actually, the people doing this, all the thugs and gangbangers are the ones having the most kids because of constant uprotected sex so their slowly outbreeding us.
Has anyone ever seen idiocracy? good movie | | | | Yeah, I see what you mean there,
PLUS smaller towns are more like families, and when you move their your the stranger.
and YES ILLITERACY is a horrible thing which causes crime
I try not to be stupid, but it doesn't always work out, but it did make me a less violent person | | |
